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Also on the IT came from the
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designated a book about two
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over a newly discovered power
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The war finds its way to plan
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gain abilities.
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All right, as always, we start
off with the sad news.

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Actor James Stewart Tolkin died
recently.

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As of this recording, no cause
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While James appeared in a
handful of movies and TV shows,

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he was perhaps best known for
his roles of FBI agent George

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Wigan and the movie War Games
Commander Tom Stinger Jareden in

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the film Top Gun, Detective Hugh
Lubrick in the first live action

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he man movie and of course, vice
principal Mr. Strickland in Back

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to the Future Part 1 and 2.
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James Strickland in part three.
He was 94.

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You familiar?
What's so funny?

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I'm sorry you're laughing that
he died.

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That's terrible.
That's.

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Terrible.
He had a good life.

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Were you a fan of his work?
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Right, so moving on for the next
and last of the sad news.

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Actress Valerie and actress
Valerie Ritchie Perrine also

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died recently.
Valerie is perhaps best known

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for her role as Honey Bruce,
opposite of Dustin Hoffman and a

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Lenny Bruce biopic Lenny from
1974, and of course as Eve

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Tessmacher in the original
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She was 82.
Are you familiar with Why Are

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You Laughing?
I'm not now.

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I'm just thinking.
Don't laugh.

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Do you remember?
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No, no.
I'm very big fan.

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I know the movie Lenny.
You've seen the movie Lenny.

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I've never watched the movie
Lenny.

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No.
But you know Superman.

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Superman, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There it is.
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There's the recognition I was
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You know, she, she put the, she
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the thing off of the in the
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Yeah.
That's her.

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That's it for the sad dude.
We're going to move quickly away

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from that.
It's just starting off with that

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well.
See the the logic is that we

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start off with the sad news.
There's nowhere to go.

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But yeah, so that's.
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Right, so now moving on to the
not as sad news from the that's

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a lot of nod departments.
The New Super Mario movie has

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taken the number one spot in the
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a $131.7 million in ticket sales
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beating out the new sci-fi film
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#2 spot, making an additional
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of release.
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the aforementioned Project Hell
Mary is still the highest

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grossing film of this year so
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followed by the aforementioned
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$190.8 million.
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Did you go and take your child
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No, we actually left him with my
parents and saw a project.

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Kil, Mary Last.
Week.

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Really.
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So how was Project Kil Mary?
I loved it.

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I thought it was great.
So if you were to review it,

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what would you?
What made it so great?

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I thought it was really fun and
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If I had a quibble, I'd say I
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It was like a little slightly
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But I thought it was like a good
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astronaut kind of movie where
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bleak meditation on like
loneliness, it was actually like

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cute and fun and funny.
I just really like those

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directors, the Lord and Chris
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verse movies and stuff like
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It's 21 Jump St. movie, so I
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All right.
So you were contributing to the,

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to the, Yeah.
That's true.

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And I want to see Mario as well
with our child and my husband's

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like we can't do that to all the
Mario fans and disrupt them with

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their crying baby and all that.
They don't care.

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But I think they would care.
I was like, what if we go at

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like 11:00 AM on like 9:00 AM?
And as I've mentioned many times

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in the show, I used to work in a
movie theater and just having

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any kids movies is always a bad
idea because the kids are always

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running up and down and
screaming and always carrying

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on.
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where we had customers complain
that they just, the parents just

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let their kids run up and down
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handle the law.
I'm like, come on, just have the

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kids sit down.
Yeah, well, we've never taken to

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a movie theater in a movie
before, so.

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Oh.
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How it would work?
I can say that.

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So when I was a kid, I watched
Transformers, the original

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Transformers the animated movie
1986, and it was, as you would

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expect, a lot of kids running
and screaming around.

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Are you familiar with the
Transformers the movie?

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Yes.
Okay, so you know what happens

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to Prime when he gets right, So
I say you familiar.

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With the the.
Biggest thing about the movies

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that they killed off the main
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Spoilers for a 2030 year, 40
year old movie.

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It's OK, Yeah, you can spoil
transform.

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So during the movie we're
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exciting about the action that's
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But when the character dies,
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And it blew my mind as a kid
watching a movie, hearing AH and

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then shoot nothing.
That's a.

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Safe.
Yeah, it stayed with me.

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Like, Oh my God, why is it quiet
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And then it's picked up
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But it was just something that
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that a theater was just dead
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So just one of those things
that.

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Yeah, like just core memory,
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So moving on from the We Really
Like Money department, none

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other than Netflix has announced
that they will be making K Pop

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Demon Hunters available on
Blu-ray as part of their

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Criterion Collection.
Of note, it is highly unusual

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that Netflix releases any of its
movies on DVD, and it's the

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first and foremost, as is a
first and foremost streaming

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service.
No word on a release date.

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Did you see K Pop Demon Hunters?
No, I really want to.

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So I'm on the other end of that.
I have no interest in watching

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it because the hype is too big.
So if I go and watch it, it's

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never going to live up to this
hype of of what it's supposed to

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be.
So I want to be disappointed.

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I'm just not going.
To I keep hearing the song, it's

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really catchy.
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Was like, I want to watch that.
Do you think it's odd that a

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streaming service would put out
a DVD even though Netflix

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originally was a DVD company?
Yeah, I still have like a one

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Netflix DVD from back in the
day, but.

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Really.
You never returned.

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Declared it as lost and kept it
because I hadn't returned it in

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so long and hadn't watched it.
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I kind of wanted to get my money
back because if back in the day

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you would have to like pay the
fee whether or not you like took

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movies out and I was like, I've
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At this point.
It was now Voyager, which ended

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up watching.
It was good.

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Wait, so you were allowed to
just say I lost?

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Yeah, you just say got lost in
the mail and then they forgive

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you.
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This is like no longer much of A
life hack because this is like a

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from like 20 years ago or
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That's crazy.
I never you know that was.

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Actually, it's still like
multiple movies from Netflix.

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We're glad.
To see you and they've got

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money.
Statue of limitations.

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I think that they put out Roma
on Criterion as well.

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Yeah, it's kind of funny for
Roma and K Pop Demon Hunter.

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Out of all the stuff that they
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That's very merchandisable, so
it makes sense I guess.

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So moving on, there's a serious
topic now from the Stand by Your

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Man department.
None other than Melissa Gilbert

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had this to say about her
husband, actor Timothy Busfeld,

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after he was indicted on 4
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conduct with a child under the
age of 13 in New Mexico.

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Melissa says even if he's
exonerated, he will always be

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that guy, the last person in the
world who would hurt a child.

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Our life as we know it is done.
We are grieving for what we had.

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All of our plans, all of our
dreams, all of our ideas, all of

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our projects for Tim is done.
He's cancelled for those of you

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who don't know or care for that
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Tim was accused by the parents
of the twin boys on the set of

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the TV series The Clean Lady,
according to the criminal

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complaint and later court
proceedings.

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One child reported nightmares
and fear, and prosecutors said

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the boys later disclosed acts of
sexual abuse to a therapist in

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September 2025.
Times attorney says that the

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allegations were driven by
revenge after the boys were

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written off the show, and they
point off that both boys

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initially denied inappropriate
touching in a police interview.

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Of note, the original complaint
also said that Warner Brothers

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conducted its own investigation
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the allegations.
So I watched the the the clean

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lady.
Ever see the clean lady?

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So it's as standard practices
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When they have a kid, they
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So that way they get around the
child labor laws.

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They can have the kid on set
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And I watched the show like this
is a terrible kid actor and I

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just really cared for him.
And then the show lasted three

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seasons, I believe.
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kid for another kid, which is
also common that when they get

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older.
They just replaced the kid.

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He was on it for a long time and
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then they brought in a new kid.
So there is some credence to the

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parents getting upset and trying
to get revenge on making up the

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story.
And on the other hand, it's very

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possible that it really did
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It's so weird because the thing
about kids is that sometimes

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they're really honest and no one
believes them and sometimes they

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lie through their teeth.
So it's very hard to to to try

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to figure out what the situation
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And it's kind of rough for the
other person who might be

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innocent and is now going to be
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child molester or on the other
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It might get off.
Yeah.

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What do you think of that?
It's a loaded question.

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Oh, I don't know.
I mean, I've never heard of any

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of these people or this show.
Timothy Busfeld was a poindexter

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from Revenge and Nerds.
He's also on ERI Believe, weird

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guy, tall.
You know Melissa Gilbert, Little

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House on the Prairie?
She's famous for that.

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Oh really?
Oh my gosh.

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OK, no, you know what?
Her husband.

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That's entire pop culture stuff
that missed me completely.

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Well, I mean, you have a child,
Yeah.

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So what would you think if that
happened if your child?

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Would be like horrified if you
got.

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But I know it's not actually.
What would you think if they got

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another something?
What would you think if your

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child said?
I don't think I would if he were

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ever in anything, which actually
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one time we submitted him for
like a Huggies commercial

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because they're like, the world
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I would just be there the whole
time, like watching him like a

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hawk, and I would not let him be
in like the show was industry.

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Because of potential alleged
creeps like that guy.

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I know I've heard that Revenge
of the Nerds is like a creepy

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movie too, so that's like
striking out right?

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Don't feel like I haven't seen
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The nerds get too much revenge
or something.

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The movie has not aged well.
That's that's the official

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landline has not aged well.
So moving on from the crying

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time after prime time
department, none other than CBS

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has announced their programming
for After the Late Show Ends.

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Its 33 year run turns that on
Friday, May 22nd, Byron Allen's

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Comics Unleashed will begin
airing back-to-back half hour

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episodes followed by the game
show Funny You Should Ask, also

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produced by Byron Allen.
Apparently, Funny Should Ask has

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been on the air since 2017 and
I've never heard of the show at

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all.
And Comics Unleashed has been on

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the air since 2006, which I have
heard of.

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Byron says 50 years.
I've been waiting for this

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moment.
Definitely, I'm going for it.

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I'm investing millions and
millions of dollars to prove

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myself.
I created and launched Comics

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Unleashed 20 years ago so my
fellow comedians could have a

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platform to do what we all love
and make people laugh.

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I truly appreciate CBS's
confidence in picking me of our

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two hour comedy block of Comics
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And Funny should act because the
world can never have enough

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laughter.
Now this is a different

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situation for CBS because Byron
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slot.
So it's not like that CBS is

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producing the show and bringing
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He's paying for that time slot.
So I think that's kind of

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interesting that he's putting
his money on to get the ratings

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and then obviously he gets his
money back from the advertiser.

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That's how usually that type of
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Byron Allen, You know who Byron
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Have you familiar with Byron
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So Byron Allen, I, I always tell
my my friends that I feel like

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I'm a Byron Allen because I've
been in the industry for a long

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time and I know a lot of people
and I have a lot of connections,

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but I'm just like on the low
tier of things.

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So Byron Allen's this guy who's
knows like everybody.

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He's had interviews with so many
people throughout the years.

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He had many shows and he has
this comics and Lee show, which

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is just little stupid comedy
half hour show.

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But basically he has a set of
comedians.

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He sits there and he throws them
set up lines and then they make

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their jokes.
That's the entire, that's the

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entire premise of the show.
And it's just so weird that he's

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just kind of just been there.
And if you seem like, Oh yeah,

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that guy and everybody knows
that guy, but he's never been

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like a really like his name
isn't like a really well known

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name like David Letterman,
Johnny Carson, Jay Leno, Jimmy

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Fallon, any of those things.
It's just weird.

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So it's interesting that he's
taking this opportunity because

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now there's no more Late Show on
CBS to try and make his stamp

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after all this time, which also
is interesting.

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Before the Late Show happened,
they used to be CBS had shows

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called Crime Time after Prime
Time, which they had these

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dramas and action and low budget
shows that was on CBS that you

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used to watch.
And I was a fan of those.

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So when they actually brought in
the late night talk show, I was

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kind of upset.
Do you remember Rhyme Time

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after?
No, no, not at all.

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There was flooding bullets.
It was so-called Forever Night.

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It was a vampire with Jerry and
Wynn Davies and he had like

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blonde hair and he was he was
working with.

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It was good.
It was weird because this was

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before Buffy and so it was like
he played an immortal vampire.

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But then as the show went on he
was eating good and got a little

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chunky.
So it was like how can he be an

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immortal vampire and then get
chunky later?

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On SO, it's kind of funny.
Yeah, it was funny.

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There was also scenes into the
Crime, which was like an

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anthology series that had
crimes.

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They they would explain things
on that show called Fly by Night

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and Dark Justice.
I think it was like a judge who

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went out and committed, who did
vigilante justice.

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It was a big thing.
Like it was after the regular

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prime time, you had the news and
then he watched each prime time

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shows or, or little shows that
were, that were like little low

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budgets, but not like super low
budgets.

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They were kind of like like
syndicated stuff, like I was on

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Channel 11 or something like
that.

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It was a very interesting thing.
And then the talk shows came in

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and now they're gone.
So what are you, I thought on

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the talk show leaving and Byron
Allen taking over?

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It's kind of sad though, like
this kind of institution that's

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been for so long, like the late
night talk shows are like all

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going away.
But at the same.

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I mean, that is weird to me and
sad.

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But I mean, I also don't watch
any of those, Like, yeah, well,

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I mean.
You're supposed to watch.

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Also, I don't have cable or I
don't have TV.

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I just have a full streaming.
It is my fault.

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But like I I like Conan and he's
not really on anymore.

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I like would watch clips and you
know, honestly I watch old clips

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on YouTube of like people being
interviewed on various late

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night shows, but.
So if you were a Conan fan, you

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remember that whole debacle with
NBC and.

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Yeah.
So that was why all that stuff

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with CBS happened, because David
Letterman was supposed to get

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The Tonight Show.
He didn't get The Tonight Show.

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He left.
He went to CVS.

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That's why he became the
competition with Jay Leno.

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And then Leno, as you know, said
he was going to give it up, and

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he didn't give it up.
Well, he did for like a second

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and they got cold feet.
And then and then Conan was

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being I to go to CVS because he
was friends with David

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Letterman.
So that was the whole thing.

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Yeah.
Kerfuffle.

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Yeah, it was actually just
watched a 30 Rock episode.

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That was like a metaphor for
that.

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Wow, this is it was timely at
the time, but it's cool that

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it's a comedy because that's
really the point of late night

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talk shows is jokes.
So if it gives comedians more of

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a spotlight, so have you.
Better than primetime,

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primetime.
Have you ever heard of comics?

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Never.
Heard of it?

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I haven't seen it.
Well, at least you know it

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exists.
That's something all right.

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Lack of cable and it's really,
you know, if you ask me about 90

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stuff, it's got to be like
cartoons and stuff.

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I would watch Frasier as a kid
and I told us to my husband, I

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was like, I thought Frasier was
really confusing and the jokes

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didn't make any sense.
And he's like, you have to watch

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it as like not a small child
because I would say it like when

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I was like homesick from school
and I was like the worst show

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ever.
But apparently it's good.

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Apparently.
So here's Here's a fun fact.

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Kelsey Grandma is, I believe, in
the Guinness Book of World

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Records as the actor having the
longest time as one character on

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TV.
Oh cool.

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So moving on from the behind
closed doors department, none

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other than SAG and the AM PTP,
which is the Alliance of Motion

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Picture and Television
Producers, just released a joint

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statement about the upcoming new
contract talk before the June

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30th deadline.
It reads simply SAG Astra and

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the AM PTP will resume formal
negotiations as of Monday, April

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27th and remain under a mutually
agreed upon media blackout.

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This is very different from the
last time, which was in 2003.

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For those of you who may not be
paying attention as now, Sean

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Astin.
Sean Astin is now the head of

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SAG and friend Dresser.
Who is the nanny.

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You know, the nanny?
Yeah.

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She used to be in charge of SAG
and she was the one that was

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handling the last negotiation
deal, which turned into the

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longest strike ever for actors
fighting over AI.

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Yeah.
Here we are now three years

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later, nothing has changed and
now they're having secret

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negotiations, which I find is
weird, as opposed to the last

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time which is very public and
led to the strike.

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Do you think that because it's
the secret hush hush type deal

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that we may not lead to a strike
or not?

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I hope it doesn't lead to a
strike because it's not good for

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the the biz, but I hope that the
actors, I guess, get what they

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want.
So do you remember last the last

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strike?
Yeah, I do.

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I remember it was lasted a
really long time.

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It kind of cratered the film
industry right after like COVID.

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So it was like, but at the same
time, it's like if they have AI

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in movies or if they don't like
stop that, then it's going to

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ruin like the arts.
So I'm conflicted about that.

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But hopefully Sean Astin will be
able to carry the SAG to.

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Do you think he has the ability?
He.

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Has the ability to to bring it
together like I, I I was always

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shocked that the nanny was the
one in charge and I know she's

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not the nanny, but that's all
you see her ask like the nanny's

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in charge it didn't it didn't
with.

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That voice, you have to listen
to her.

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Yes, that's true.
And but she made it.

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She went to the media.
She made it a big spectacle to

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show what she's trying to fight
for.

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To her credit, I thought that
was kind of a bold move to do as

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opposed to her just being
dismissed.

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You know, it's just it's just an
Annie trying to fight for AI.

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But no, they made it a big thing
and then that led to the strike.

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But the fact that they're kind
of hush hush about this really

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sets off alarms in the back of
my head.

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Like, what kind of deals are
they actually doing?

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Yeah.
Well, hopefully, hopefully it

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will all work out.
And I mean, he's Rudy, so he's

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overcome.
Great all.

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Right.
So moving on for the last, let's

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see it.
Yes, this should be the last one

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last bit of news from the Get
the AI out of here department.

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None other than Open AI Sora has
announced that they are

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discontinuing the program.
This comes after, as we

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mentioned in our previous
episode of our show, Disney

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announced a $1 billion deal with
the company that allowed Disney

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Plus users to create videos
using some of their intellectual

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property.
Turns out that, according to

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reports, Open AI was burning
through cash at about $1 billion

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a month.
Whoa.

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Executive says we're saying
goodbye to the Sora app.

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To everyone who created with
Sora, shared it, and built a

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community around it, thank you.
What you have made with Sora

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mattered, and now we know this
news is disappointing, Disney

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says.
As the AI field advances

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rapidly, we we respect Open AI's
decision to exit the video

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generation business to shift its
priorities elsewhere.

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We appreciate the constructive
collaboration between our teams

452
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,280
and what we learn from it.
And we will continue to engage

453
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,480
with AI platforms to find new
ways to meet fans where they are

454
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,040
while responsibly embracing new
technologies that respect IP for

455
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,520
the rights of What do you think
of that?

456
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,960
I think Disney is so evil.
They pretend they're not, but

457
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,200
they're just so horrible.
I even have my own.

458
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,200
I have like a off the record
Disney story.

459
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,880
Well, we're on the record now.
They're teasing me.

460
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Just read between the lines.
No, no, that's just pretty

461
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,880
terrible.
It's terrible that the app got

462
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,240
ended and now Disney was going
to make a spend a billion

463
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,600
dollars on this thing just went
or is it bad that they are going

464
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,440
to look for other avenues?
They're just going to like make

465
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,520
like crappy AI versions of like
Mulan or something.

466
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,760
And they already like don't pay
their artists and this is going

467
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,960
to be them paying their artists
even less and like devaluing.

468
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,120
Well, you know what actually,
the problem with Disney lately

469
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,480
has been like that They like
devalued the things that they

470
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,080
spent billions of dollars
acquiring, which is why like a

471
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,680
lot of their stuff doesn't do
well.

472
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,120
So this is just them doing that
even more like if they just do

473
00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:17,640
like AI, Star Wars is going to
make no one want to go see like,

474
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000
you know, Mandalorian and Grogu
or whatever, which is already a

475
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,920
hard sell because you'd have to
watch the Book of Boba Fett.

476
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,920
And I refute.
So I just feel like it's like a

477
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,320
bad decision, but I don't know,
can't tell the future.

478
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,200
So maybe there's a good
financial decision.

479
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,400
So the fact that they made a big
stink about it, going to spend a

480
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,920
billion dollars on this service,
and then the service is like now

481
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320
we're done.
Maybe it kind of tells people

482
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,960
that AI isn't as it's going.
To be a bubble.

483
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:51,120
Yes, it might be a bubble
because you would think that if

484
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,440
you had Disney behind your
company, but you're burning a

485
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,080
billion dollars a month, what
are they doing?

486
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,720
Especially if it's all user
stuff.

487
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,560
So the idea was that Disney was
going to be like, hey, you guys

488
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,320
make something that you guys
like put on Disney Plus so you

489
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320
can watch it and still pay us
the money for using Disney Plus.

490
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,360
So now they're like, we learned
what we could from these guys,

491
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,040
They're out, let's go find
something else and make you do

492
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,880
all the work and let us cast the
money.

493
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,640
I think it's really weird.
Yeah, but also if it costs like

494
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,520
a billion dollars a month, then
they may as well just make

495
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,520
movies at that point, right?
But it's just so weird how the

496
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,480
AI is, is kind of starting.
I think this is the the chinks

497
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,640
in the armor, the cracks of
where it, it started off hot.

498
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,720
And then people are like, what
can I do with it?

499
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,520
And they're like, all right,
they're bored after like 5

500
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,560
minutes and then that's it and
it's over.

501
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,760
I think maybe that might be the
case.

502
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,680
And AI is going to be akin to
CGI where if you remember when

503
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,440
it first CGI first came out,
everybody was hating on CGI and

504
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,400
I was taking jobs, you know,
taking away jobs from the

505
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,000
animators.
What happened?

506
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,800
It did, but I'm saying that was
what they had saying about AI

507
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,920
now.
But then it's kind of going.

508
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:09,960
Yeah, we'll point out, like, how
many, like, 2D animation films

509
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440
have been in theaters since,
like, The Princess of the Frog.

510
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,800
It's been very, very few.
Yeah.

511
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Like 3 maybe?
No, yeah, I there's like very,

512
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,800
very few.
So it did actually, like a lot

513
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,200
of people.
Have they lost the art of making

514
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,160
2D animation?
Some people still do.

515
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,280
But it's also incorporated into
films nowadays.

516
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,320
That's why I think what's going
to happen with AI, it's not

517
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,120
going to take over that.
'D be even worse though.

518
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,680
But it is going to be
incorporated and the reason is

519
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,480
because the consumer doesn't
care.

520
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,640
I've been saying this for a long
time.

521
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,280
If the consumer doesn't care,
then the well, it doesn't care.

522
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,360
Doesn't care as in.
Subconsciously breaks your

523
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,760
immersion in something when you
can tell something is CGI or if

524
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,320
you're doubting whether
something is real.

525
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,840
Because if you watch like a 70s
movie, like I watch this movie

526
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,200
called like Sorcerer and there
was this big like truck going

527
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,400
across this bridge and water and
stuff.

528
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,360
And it was so terrifying because
you're like, they didn't, this

529
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,320
is like, they really put this
truck across a bridge and like,

530
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,640
it looks like everyone's about
to really die.

531
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,520
And it was so much scarier and
more visceral because it was a

532
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,120
real thing happening on film.
Or even if you use like tricks,

533
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040
like, you know, forced
perspective or whatever, like if

534
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,240
it's CGI, like it's just pings
something and like you're

535
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,680
subconscious and tells you it's
not real and it lowers the

536
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,360
stakes.
So I think it's much worse and I

537
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,040
think it doesn't impact people's
enjoyment.

538
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,480
And I think people are like
burned down on CGI.

539
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,920
But the the the point I'm making
and and to be fair, I am really

540
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,640
against AIA 100%.
It's like even worse than CGI.

541
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,400
But the consumer and the fact
that that's where the money is

542
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,120
coming, if you can go to a store
and you can get the professional

543
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,200
whatever for $20 and you can get
the knock off crappy version for

544
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,680
$2.00, a lot of people will buy
the $2.00 version.

545
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,720
So in the same instance, if
there's 8 AI made and it's

546
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,120
cheaper and easy to access, the
the average consumer will just

547
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,640
get that and they'll be making
the money.

548
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,400
So like, oh, it doesn't matter
if we put all this money,

549
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
energy, effort into the better
thing with a smaller, crappier

550
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,480
thing is making money.
That's my my logic behind it.

551
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440
And it's sad that the consumer,
if they're not educated, we'll

552
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,480
go for the lower hanging fruit.
I think there's some logic

553
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,760
there, but the difference
between like a good versus like

554
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,240
a piece of content is that we're
already inundated with so much

555
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,280
content that we most people are
looking for something good and

556
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,240
not just something that's there.
And it's cheap because every

557
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,560
like you can watch like Citizen
Kane for free.

558
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Like not that the average person
is going to do that, but like

559
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,960
you could watch like good stuff
for free.

560
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,840
So why would you watch AI slop
other than for the initial

561
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120
novelty, which I get, but then
that novelty goes away once

562
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,280
you've seen a bunch of AI stuff.
It's very boring and like it

563
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,120
always has some sort of like,
it's just like Solace.

564
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Well, that's that was my point,
that that where the bubble is

565
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,040
that is going to pop because
people are like, I don't care

566
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,360
anymore.
I mean a lot.

567
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,880
They shouldn't use it as like in
movies because then it's just

568
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,760
bad.
There is an application to use

569
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,400
it provided that they do
compensate the people doing it.

570
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080
There was a movie fall, have you
heard of the movie Fall about

571
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,440
people climbing up and it was in
the fall.

572
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Very simple, very simple
premise.

573
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,600
It was recent, it was it was
made as a rated R movie and they

574
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,320
want to sell the movie and they
decided to turn into APG 13

575
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,160
movie.
So all the curse words, they use

576
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,120
AI to change the curse words to
not curse words in that instance

577
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,440
as opposed to bringing everybody
back to set bringing.

578
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,120
All this stuff.
Well, their their lips would

579
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,960
still if they're saying one
thing, it's not like it's not

580
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,400
like a bad Kung Fu where they're
saying one thing and it's not

581
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,480
like no, it actually merged it
in to make them appear that they

582
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,520
were actually talking.
So if, if the actors were

583
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,080
compensated fairly for that use
of that, and it was for AI and

584
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,240
everyone was happy and everybody
got paid for it, I think it'd be

585
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,960
fine.
But I think that one of the

586
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,320
biggest problems with AI is that
they're not compensating people

587
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,120
for it.
And I think that's one of the

588
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,880
the crucial missteps of AI in
itself is because they're

589
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,920
saying, oh, we can do a cheaper,
we can do a fee and not pay

590
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,440
these other people.
But if they were paying people,

591
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,080
I think it'd be a little more,
well, receptive.

592
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,120
Yeah, I don't know.
I I still think it's just really

593
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,960
bad publicity for your thing to
do that because they did that

594
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,040
with the brutalist where like
they used AI to make Adrien

595
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,960
Brody's like a Hungarian better.
And it's weird because it's

596
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,120
like, if I didn't know that, it
would have been like, oh, we're

597
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,640
yeah.
He spoke Hungarian really well

598
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,880
in this one scene.
But like knowing that took me

599
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,600
out of the movie.
Kind of like when you're like

600
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,520
watching the Flash and you're
like, oh, that's familiar.

601
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,440
It just like takes you out to
have like a real life thing just

602
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,200
pop in your head when you're
watching something.

603
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,080
So fair enough, but that is it
for the news.

604
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,280
So we're going to take a quick
break in front of a live studio

605
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,200
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Be right back with more.

606
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607
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629
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,880
I'm here with our special guest.
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630
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,600
friend about Miss Kristen
Guzman.

631
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,280
Thanks.
It's funny, Kristen, I've known

632
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,280
you for a very long time.
We were talking before we

633
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,680
started that.
We actually did a live stream

634
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,360
back eight years ago at Royal
Collectibles, if I remember

635
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680
correctly.
It's it's so crazy how I've

636
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,240
known you for so long and you
haven't changed a bit.

637
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,000
You look exactly the same.
I look like super old now it.

638
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Looks the same to you.
I don't know about that.

639
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,960
We both found the fount of you.
And you were, you were doing

640
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,200
hence girl, that was, that was
what you were promoting back

641
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,960
then.
So I guess the short the short

642
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,320
question is what has happened
between then and?

643
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Now, Oh my gosh, so much stuff.
Yeah, it's funny.

644
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,040
I I forgot and then you reminded
me and then it all like rushed

645
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,680
back to me at Royal Selectables.
We did a little like quick show

646
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,040
there.
It was really fun.

647
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,360
Let's see.
Since then I did a whole four

648
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,200
book graphic novel series from
Scholastic called Making

649
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Friends.
I'm just like looking at my

650
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,360
books now.
I made a Minecraft series from

651
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,840
Dark Horse.
I did a bunch of comics and hung

652
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,320
out.
I did a road trip, had a baby.

653
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,240
I got married.
OK, other way around.

654
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,600
I got married, had a baby.
Very important that the world

655
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,800
knows that.
And yeah, I've just been making

656
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,000
comics, hanging out and being so
unemployed.

657
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,920
And so before we get into your
comics, I do want to mention

658
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,080
that actually when the last time
I saw you, you mentioned you

659
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,960
were a zombie.
Yeah, it was a background extra,

660
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,040
The Walking Dead, the Michonne
and Rick show.

661
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,239
And I met Rick, the guy, the
main guy from Walking Dead.

662
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,520
He was really nice and he gave
me like a fist bump and said I

663
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,000
was a star for real.
It's because I jokingly because

664
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,000
it the shot included my shoe for
a moment and I was like, wow,

665
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,159
I'm a star.
He was like, you are a star and

666
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,400
he was keep it.
He kept his accent going when he

667
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,920
was off camera or whatever.
And I also met Michonne.

668
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,719
She introduced herself to me.
I don't know why it was all

669
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,440
happened, but it was really
exciting.

670
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,120
And then I got to be a
background zombie where I wore a

671
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,120
zombie a very like, so the the
fancy zombies who get like

672
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,520
stabbed in the head and stuff,
they get like hours of makeup,

673
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,320
but the rest of us just wore
rubber masks and loped around in

674
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,240
the background.
It was really fun.

675
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,720
They were pretending to stab us
through like you know how they

676
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,120
do in Walking Dead where you're
like, they just stabbed the

677
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,120
zombies through like slits in
the wall.

678
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,840
So that was me.
It was.

679
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,360
Like slowly wobbling towards the
wall.

680
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,280
And it was really interesting
because your impulse is to lift

681
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
your arms up when you're walking
like a zombie, but it actually

682
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,880
looks really dumb to do that.
And they're like, arms down.

683
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,200
And we all just were like,
whoops, yeah, that was fun.

684
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,760
Was it like a zombie school you
had to go to or you just just

685
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,240
showed up and they're like,
you're going to be a zombie?

686
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,880
Yeah, they didn't really tell
us.

687
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,960
They were like, you're zombies,
figure it out.

688
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,840
Most of the people there were
actually actors, so they knew

689
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760
what they were doing.
The funny thing is, is that you

690
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,000
know how you're like, oh, where
do they film this stuff?

691
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,600
Like where they where do they
find these like desolate, you

692
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,320
know, horrible looking
locations.

693
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:55,880
And it was Newark and it really
looked bad.

694
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,960
And then I also was a background
on like an episode of the Sex

695
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680
and the City show.
And I annoyed the man Laney,

696
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,600
Cynthia Nixon, although really,
yeah, I was right in her way.

697
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,560
They were like go.
And every time I went like I

698
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520
bumped it to her.
And then I never did it again.

699
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,640
I never like did a background
thing again, but not because I I

700
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,720
bumped into Cynthia Nixon just
because I was pregnant and was

701
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,360
like, I don't feel like you're
really tired.

702
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,360
Did you bring your comics to the
system like hey, Simply Comics?

703
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,240
I should have.
No, I didn't I.

704
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,800
Why not?
You're supposed to.

705
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,800
Give my comics away.
It'd be a promotional machine I.

706
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,440
Guess that's true.
Well, like a like a bookmark or

707
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,160
something.
My newest thing is that I made

708
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,120
stickers and I've just been
tagging the city with my

709
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,880
stickers that have AQR code.
It's funny because they say read

710
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,880
more comics.
It's like I'm like being like,

711
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,360
you know, promoting comics in
general.

712
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Then it says by Kristen
Gutznock.

713
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,760
So it's and then it has like a
code that that leads you to like

714
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,080
samples of comics.
That's my self promotional

715
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,720
thing.
But I don't know, I find it very

716
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,200
awkward to just literally
promote myself directly to

717
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,760
people who I don't know.
Well, so then you're in the

718
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,360
right place.
So let us promote about your

719
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,840
books to people who you don't
know.

720
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,400
You know, this context is
different.

721
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:20,080
I mean, like, cold approaching
strangers and being like, hey,

722
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,960
do you like comics?
Yeah.

723
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
You know, it's weird because
since you've been on the other

724
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,680
side of comic book tables for
years, you have to grab people

725
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,480
to you.
Sometimes you go at a comic

726
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,000
convention, Do you like comics
you like to read?

727
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,720
And a lot of people say no.
They're like, what the hell are

728
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,320
you doing here?
Do you get that a lot?

729
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200
I mean, no, well, I don't.
I don't ask people if they like

730
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,960
to read because.
What's what's your what's your

731
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,080
approach?
What do you what do you tell

732
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,920
them to raw them in?
Hey, how are you?

733
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Feel free to check out my comics
or look at these other things

734
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,040
and then I leave it up to them.
I don't I won't do a hard sell

735
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,800
because I find it uncomfortable
and other people like do a hard

736
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520
sell to me.
It makes me like, makes my fight

737
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,520
or flight go off and I know I'm
not fighting so it's just

738
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,840
running away.
Let's start off with a couple of

739
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,960
books.
What about your newest books?

740
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,640
Let's talk about that.
What is that about?

741
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,040
How did you come up with the
idea?

742
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,840
Yeah, Touched by a Demon, As we
were talking about 90s TV shows,

743
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Touched by an Angel was
something that was on a bunch at

744
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,560
my grandma's house, and I used
to watch it and I thought it was

745
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,080
really cheesy, but I also kind
of liked it.

746
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,320
Then I was watching this really
bad Hallmark movie called 12

747
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Christmas Wishes for My Dog.
It was like so bad.

748
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
And it was about this magical
life coach that was like, what

749
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000
if she's really a demon?
And then that gave me this whole

750
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,720
idea.
I was like, what if a demon

751
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,920
wanted to leave hell and was
trying to like redeem himself by

752
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,040
like opening a life coach
agency.

753
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,960
And then because, like, you
know, sometimes when you watch

754
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,680
something that's really boring
and bad, like your brain just

755
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,280
starts going really fast and
starts giving you ideas.

756
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,160
So this movie just like put me
into this state of inspiration.

757
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,400
And I had the whole idea for it
while watching.

758
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,160
I could be like, pause it.
I have to write this down.

759
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,240
And yeah, so that's kind of
where the idea came from.

760
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:13,680
So it's about Franz by Franz and
Pazuzu, who are two demons who

761
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,280
they don't get any respect, and
how Franz, the the kind of

762
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,400
ringleader, decides to open the
life coach agency and try to

763
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,640
help people.
And it just goes terribly awry

764
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,720
in comedic fashion.
So when you do something like

765
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,440
that, well, first of all, is it
a decision that it has to be a

766
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,800
comedic tone?
Because that's kind of your your

767
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,680
through line of of your books,
right?

768
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,680
Found on the second?
Yeah, yeah.

769
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Or you like, well, it's demons.
It should be serious or

770
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,640
something like.
That I don't think I have it in

771
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,000
me to do actual 100% serious
comic.

772
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,520
I even did like a serial killer
one that was actually somewhat

773
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,680
serious.
Like I wasn't trying to put

774
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,480
jokes in and then jokes just
came out.

775
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,360
So I just think I'm a goofy
person and I just got to own my

776
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,200
personality.
So with a, with a demonic life

777
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,280
coach, did you do any research
and go to life coach and be

778
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,680
like, well, this guy could be a
demon?

779
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,640
No, I did research into demons.
But you mean like go and get

780
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,480
therapy?
Oh, you.

781
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,320
Watch on TV like, oh, this guy,
Yeah.

782
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,480
No, no, I yeah, I probably
should have.

783
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,720
Yeah, that would have been
interesting and probably useful

784
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:17,640
in others.
That's too because I I don't

785
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,240
know, I probably do need a life
coach, but I just made it all

786
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,800
up.
But actually I feel like in a

787
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,400
lot of ways I put my own issues
into the characters problems.

788
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,800
Like the first character is this
girl who feels like she's like,

789
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,360
oh man, no.
It's like she has like sibling

790
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,480
issues where she's like, oh, my
parents like my siblings more

791
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,000
than me, which I actually don't
think.

792
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,840
But I felt that because like,
you know, I have a, you don't

793
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,240
know, I have multiple siblings.
So it's always like, who do you

794
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,840
think they like the most?
It's you.

795
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,400
It's you.
And like, we have long

796
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,200
discussions about this, you
know, Is that not normal?

797
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,800
I've never had that we.
Also do rankings really we rank

798
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,320
everyone in our?
I have a brother and sister.

799
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,120
As kids we never did any of that
stuff.

800
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,400
Oh, OK, well, this is just a
family tradition for me.

801
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,320
I don't know, I guess I just was
like, oh, if I I made it kind of

802
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,560
over the top.
So that way you would like her

803
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,200
character.
But and the second one, it's

804
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,440
like this like guy who sucks,
who like he wants to improve

805
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,960
himself.
And it's like kind of like that

806
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,040
question of like, you know, they
say be yourself, but what if

807
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,840
yourself is like a crappy
person, etcetera.

808
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,840
So it's like sort of things that
I always like, wonder about and

809
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,840
I kind of work them out through
well, but I'm not as terrible as

810
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,720
the character.
One, one of the things I thought

811
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:40,120
was kind of cool is that you
asked your followers and readers

812
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,640
for advice that you're for a,
for a column.

813
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,920
How?
How did that work out and what

814
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,360
kind of a submissions did you
get?

815
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Yeah, I asked people for self
help questions that I could

816
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,160
because I had extra space at the
end of the trade.

817
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,800
Yeah, I gave some really
terrible advice to people,

818
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:04,440
including kidnap your boss and
hold them hostage and make them

819
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,040
fall in love with you so that
they will give you a raise and

820
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,840
you have job stability.
And also when first I said kill

821
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,360
themselves in a funny way, it's
the joke that.

822
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,920
You told them to kill themselves
in a funny way, or you told them

823
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,000
in a funny way to kill
themselves.

824
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,280
They said that they were reading
lots of web tunes and I was

825
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,000
like, go get my truck so that
you can wake up in a magical

826
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,040
world.
Just a plot like most web tunes

827
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,360
I know.
I was like, I was like, maybe

828
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,080
let's cut that one out, but
we'll see.

829
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,760
I don't know.
I've been reading a lot of web

830
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,280
tunes myself, so that was kind
of in my head.

831
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,640
But I know I'm always like,
hopefully I'm not giving too

832
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,560
much bad advice and like bad
messaging.

833
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,040
But at the same time I've been
doing kids stuff for so long

834
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,640
that I was like, I naturally
have kind.

835
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,200
I have like an edge Lord sense
of humor at heart.

836
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
So like I had, I needed an
outlet, outlet for that.

837
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,600
And I was like, if not these
demons, then who else?

838
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,840
So.
You obviously don't.

839
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,240
No one, actually.
Don't.

840
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,160
Commit suicide.
Is there a disclaimer on the

841
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,360
book?
No, no.

842
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,680
I should put one.
I think there's still time.

843
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,960
I was put a little asterisk.
A little asterisk.

844
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,080
Don't don't don't follow any
advice during this.

845
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Follow Traffic Safety
guidelines.

846
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,840
So you work for?
Well, I wouldn't say you work

847
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,640
for Dark Horse or for a.
Freelancer.

848
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,600
Yeah, right.
You're a freelancer, but they're

849
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,960
the ones that publish your book.
Is it weird when you're writing

850
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,560
your own stuff and then you have
a boss to look under?

851
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,560
Or is not like that at all?
They're so cool and good that I

852
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,040
don't have a problem with them.
They're very like do whatever

853
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,480
you want.
I mean when they give me notes,

854
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,960
it's it's always like helpful
notes and very like cosmetic

855
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,320
changes.
They're very like artist and

856
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,840
writer friendly.
What kind of cosmetic changes

857
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,520
are we talking about?
Oh, with this guys, I read as

858
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,600
opposed to.
Blue no no, like put a comma

859
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,520
here.
Like put it hyphen in this thing

860
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,080
because grammar.
So do you also edit your own

861
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,000
stuff or do you?
Or do they edit it for you?

862
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,480
They do a editing pass, but
actually I was an English major

863
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,040
back in school and I love
grammar so my stuff is usually

864
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520
pretty clean by the time it gets
to them.

865
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,880
Is it more difficult or easier
when you're doing things for

866
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,080
yourself and you're worried that
you have to pass it on to

867
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,200
somebody else before it's this
time?

868
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,080
What?
Do you mean?

869
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,840
I mean that you're making
something for yourself and then

870
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,000
instead of doing it yourself and
putting it out there yourself,

871
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,480
you're going through another
company, you're going through to

872
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,320
somebody.
Else so much easier it's so much

873
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,600
harder doing something all
yourself because when you

874
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,040
promote it yourself two you have
to like print it oversee the

875
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,840
printing and pay for that and
it's great to have someone else

876
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,640
do that and three they also have
like a publicity team that

877
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,520
promotes your thing so it's not
just you and they put it in

878
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,840
stores so there's really no only
downside is getting a book deal

879
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,520
can be difficult at times so.
How does one go about getting a

880
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040
book deal?
Well, the way I broke into

881
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,080
comics was I was, I got a table
at New York Comic Con once just

882
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,840
totally randomly because someone
on Facebook was like, I need

883
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,480
someone to share my table.
Oh, my supposed table mate

884
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,840
dropped out.
So I just randomly got a table

885
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,840
with someone.
And then I met, I made a bunch

886
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,360
of contacts there that first
year.

887
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,600
And so I was just doing like,
honestly, doing like Reed pop

888
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,680
shows and tabling and being
approached by editors and then

889
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,480
getting contacts within various
publishers and then sending them

890
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,920
your pitches and making a pitch.
Just make ask other people like

891
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
wait for your thing.
Ask people, what do you think is

892
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,960
the hook here?
Because it's really hard to find

893
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,040
the hook when it's your own
thing because you're too close

894
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,800
to it to see like what the
marketable angle is.

895
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,800
And just make sure you find the
quick sell for what your idea is

896
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,640
because it happens so many times
where I'm like, this is a great

897
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,720
idea, but if you can't explain
it quickly, it doesn't matter

898
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:06,240
how good it is because like no
one's going to like just be

899
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:07,920
like, oh, I'll take your word
for it.

900
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,000
This thing that you're just
mumbling and stuttering about is

901
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,240
actually good.
So you should just figure out

902
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:15,600
how to say it quickly and
interestingly.

903
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,960
It's the classic elevator pitch,
right?

904
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,600
You have to.
Is that something that you've

905
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,640
honed over the years?
I literally ask other people

906
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800
like how would you describe this
like as I can't do it.

907
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,560
I mean when you make a pitch
usually put a log line which is

908
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,360
like the one sentence elevator
pitch or in my case it's always

909
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,040
like 4 sentences because don't
follow the rules.

910
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,760
That table you had in your Comic
Con, that was when I was in the

911
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,760
hangar, right?
Like on the backside.

912
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,840
Yeah, yeah.
And it was, it was with a guy,

913
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:45,840
right?
Yeah.

914
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,200
See, I told you, you see, I told
you.

915
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,520
I remember I'm really good at
remembering situations.

916
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,720
I remember you were splitting a
table with a guy and he was very

917
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,080
promoting of you.
He's like, check her stuff out.

918
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,800
Yeah.
We tabled together a few more

919
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,640
years after that because, yeah,
between the two of us, it was

920
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,160
always like a, you know, when
you're first starting out, it's

921
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,440
hard to know if you can actually
get a table at New York Comic

922
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Con, because it's actually hard
to get a table in Artist Alley

923
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,680
when you're just coming up, you
know?

924
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,000
So, yeah.
And also, I didn't have as much

925
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,600
stuff.
Nowadays, I have too much, too

926
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,640
many comics.
It's like, hard to fit

927
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,160
everything onto my table.
So it's a little complicated.

928
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,320
So what's the biggest difference
you've noticed from when you

929
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,960
started in the world of a comic
conventions and B in the world

930
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,240
of comics in general?
Well, the biggest difference I,

931
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,840
I feel like I, I kind of in some
way I checked out of the comics

932
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,520
world, like the readership side
a little bit just because I had

933
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,400
a baby and all this other stuff
and I just was like grinding on

934
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:49,960
deadlines for a really long
time.

935
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,800
So I'm probably not the most,
you know, up to date on those

936
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,360
things.
And I've just mainly been in

937
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,200
like a web tune and manga
headspace lately.

938
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:05,120
I don't know, I'm old now and
everyone's getting younger and

939
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,120
they won't get off my lawn.
Well, I saw you at New York Big

940
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,760
Apple Con, and I hadn't seen you
in a while.

941
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Yeah.
So when having that table at

942
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,400
that time, can you think like,
wow, it's different now, it's

943
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,720
the same now, there's no
difference at all?

944
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,680
I mean, maybe there's like more
women in the comic conventions

945
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,960
than right at the beginning
because it's actually quite a

946
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,520
gender parity split now.
It seems very even.

947
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,920
There's like a lot of sort of
like female coded stuff now

948
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,200
because I think that probably
because of anime, manga and

949
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,400
stuff.
Did you find that being a female

950
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,440
and the male dominated society
that comics was back in the day

951
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,320
made a difference, made it
harder for you?

952
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,000
Or was it because you were the
girl?

953
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,760
Like I'm the girl, I can just.
Yeah, I'm like, I'm special.

954
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,640
I have a bow.
That was fine.

955
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
I didn't care.
You know, I feel like people

956
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:08,560
were maybe more enthusiastic.
I feel like in the old, old

957
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,160
days, people were like really
like psyched about being like,

958
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,680
we got to promote women in
comics.

959
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Now we're all like, yeah, you're
fine.

960
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,840
Maybe since I was just coming
out.

961
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,920
So people were like, have you
heard of Christian Gutsnuck?

962
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,080
And now everyone's like, well,
you might have heard of her if

963
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:24,840
not read her stuff.
I don't care.

964
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,200
You know, it's always fine.
I don't know.

965
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,720
No one was ever rude to me.
Maybe if anything, they were

966
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,680
nicer to me.
I.

967
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,560
Don't know.
Should have been like in my 20s

968
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,600
and like naive.
So what other books do you have

969
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,920
on the display here?
I don't really bring all my

970
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,720
books, but I have my Minecraft
graphic novel and the first

971
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,840
three issues of Touched by a
Demon and then my motivational

972
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,800
anime stickers.
So for the Minecraft that is a

973
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,280
licensed property, yeah.
How is working on a licensed

974
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,160
property?
Well, that was was a book that I

975
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,560
got because my editor on
Henchgrel was also like editing

976
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:08,920
the Minecraft books.
So they're like, do you like

977
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,680
Minecraft?
And I was like, I could.

978
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,680
And I actually like was like,
oh, great, I can like I like

979
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,360
bought a Nintendo Switch and got
Minecraft for the Switch.

980
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,280
And I was like, I can text and
yeah, I just played a lot of

981
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,640
Minecraft.
It was really fun.

982
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,320
It was cool because Minecraft is
really like open-ended.

983
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,320
So I didn't have to like, do a
lot of research because that's

984
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,960
honestly the part that scares me
the most about doing like, I PS

985
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,440
is being like, what if I don't
know every single detail about

986
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,120
this thing that's been around
since like, you know, the 80s or

987
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,480
whatever?
So this one, I could just make

988
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,240
up my own lore and it was really
fun.

989
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:53,080
I like doing it a lot.
But that's do you feel that it's

990
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,120
necessary for somebody to have
that extensive background?

991
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Because as we were talking about
before, a lot of people who are

992
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,040
making shows now are making
properties now don't really know

993
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,360
about the old stuff.
And some of them vehemently

994
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,360
promote that they don't know.
I think that's a bad look.

995
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,920
I don't like that.
If it's something I like, I want

996
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,800
the person to be into it.
Otherwise I'm like, why would

997
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,360
you even be doing this?
Because if you like want to act

998
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,320
like you're like fixing the
thing that is beloved, then

999
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,160
you're it just seems like very
like egotistical.

1000
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,280
I don't know.
I never do.

1001
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,720
I don't really do licensed stuff
ever.

1002
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,840
That's the only licensed thing
I've done because I actually no.

1003
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,800
I did some Strawberry Shortcake
shorts for IDW.

1004
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,320
So you're.
And I had to watch a bunch.

1005
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,400
I watched so much Strawberry
Shortcake.

1006
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,200
And I was like, my brain was
like melting out of my ears.

1007
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,160
It was like bad.
Did the That's fine.

1008
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,840
Did the Minecraft book came out
before or after the movie?

1009
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Before.
So what did you think when they

1010
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,320
saw the movie?
Did they take some of your

1011
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,000
ideas?
I did see the movie, yeah.

1012
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,000
And.
Now you don't have to because

1013
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,640
you know you're not doing it
anymore, so you're not.

1014
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:01,560
You're not required.
Actually they asked me if I was

1015
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,040
interested in doing more.
So I don't know.

1016
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,280
That was legit.
It was just like casually at a

1017
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,680
convention.
But maybe I would someday.

1018
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,120
I guess it would have to be a
different thing because I

1019
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,960
finished this story.
But no, I want to watch the

1020
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Minecraft movie.
I just was like once again

1021
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,680
having a baby.
I'm like, I feel weird watching

1022
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480
kids movies without him because
then I'm like, I should just

1023
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,880
like wait two years and watch it
with him.

1024
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,960
Still waiting to watch Kung Fu
Panda?

1025
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Aren't you supposed to like,
watch it first to make sure it's

1026
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,080
appropriate for kids and then
you watch it a second time?

1027
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,200
No, no.
Not going to watch it twice.

1028
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Why not?
Isn't that what you're supposed

1029
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,440
to do?
I don't know.

1030
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,360
No, it's not like a rule.
You're supposed to to monitor

1031
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,280
all your children's stuff or you
just let them go.

1032
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,200
And no, really.
That sounds horrible.

1033
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Really.
A movie twice in a row.

1034
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Not in a row.
I guess you would watch

1035
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,400
something like, oh make sure
it's suitable for your child.

1036
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,680
I thought that's what parents
do.

1037
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,680
Now you just turn it off really
quickly if.

1038
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,800
It's.
Traumatizing.

1039
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,120
Are you going to write stuff for
your kid?

1040
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,480
Actually, I wanted to make a
baby book.

1041
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,720
First of all, easy money.
Second of all, yeah, it's like

1042
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,360
draw like 12 pictures.
I did a book.

1043
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,240
But also like I now I have, I
have insight into like what the

1044
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:19,040
market needs.
Really.

1045
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,000
Yeah.
What?

1046
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:25,240
What does the baby market need?
It needs a book that has like

1047
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,600
every page.
There's something that you do to

1048
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,000
the baby, not just like a little
story, but like an action that

1049
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,120
goes with it to keep the baby
engaged.

1050
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,320
That's what my baby likes so.
Really.

1051
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,720
So like an interactive?
No, no, it's just like, oh

1052
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:45,440
Poppins kiss, little duckling,
and you kiss the baby kiss and

1053
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,360
I'm like, oh the duckling high
fives Poppins.

1054
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,280
OK, I got you.
I.

1055
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,280
Got you.
So like active stuff, not just

1056
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,040
you know, So that way you teach
them.

1057
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,280
I don't know, some like I don't
know, it was physical movement

1058
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,960
mixed with a book.
I got it more engaging.

1059
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:04,480
So what's next?
I'm working on a pitch actually,

1060
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,880
I have like 3 pitches that I'm
just scattering between right

1061
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,200
now and also I want to pitch
more actually have like a really

1062
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,160
good idea for a series 2 of
Touched by a Demon and I just

1063
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,800
have to like organize all my
notes.

1064
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,000
So that would be something that
I really want to do.

1065
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,960
And I'm kind of like, I probably
shouldn't say that because like

1066
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,560
you're not supposed to say that
until you do it, but until you

1067
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,960
get like a deal.
But maybe I'll just like speak

1068
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,560
it into existence.
And then I have like this like

1069
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:38,680
romanticy comedy comic idea that
I actually, I just thought of it

1070
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,600
like a week and a half ago.
But that means that the idea is

1071
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,200
really fresh and exciting.
So I've also been like

1072
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,440
developing that.
Alright, so social media time,

1073
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,440
where can people find out more
about your book, more about

1074
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,160
yourself Go.
You know, you can go to

1075
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,600
kristinguznock.com and then I
have a mailing list.

1076
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Sign up there.
You should sign up for my

1077
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,360
mailing list because then you'll
get emails from me every once in

1078
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,760
a while that are so great and
fun.

1079
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,880
But you can also go to
Henchgirl, under Score, Comic

1080
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,840
Twitter, Instagram and Blue Sky
and get, you know, see my posts.

1081
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,520
So you were trying enough to
rattle off.

1082
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,200
What are we rattling off?
I'll do the first two touched by

1083
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,520
a demon. 1st 2 Touched by a
Demon and we're also giving away

1084
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,280
2 free passes to the Cradle Con,
which is in the Cradle of

1085
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,760
Aviation.
Do you want to give it as a

1086
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,720
bundle?
Do you want to do the books and

1087
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,560
the tickets separate?
It's up to you.

1088
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:41,120
You're our guest.
Well, let's do 2. 2 Alright, so

1089
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,200
you want to do the books first
or the the tickets first.

1090
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,640
This is.
Like a lot of decisions here,

1091
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,080
like very split second decision
first we'll do the tickets.

1092
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,880
Tickets.
All right, pull out.

1093
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,320
These are for the two free
passes to the Cradle Con.

1094
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:04,120
What number we got?
376732. 732.

1095
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,840
There we go, right there,
winner.

1096
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,320
We'll take care of you after
that.

1097
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,360
And now for the.
Comics.

1098
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:20,760
The comics.
Let's see 376731. 731 He

1099
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:21,720
doesn't.
He doesn't want him.

1100
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,800
He has already.
He doesn't want a second coffee.

1101
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,640
He's like, I don't want.
How about like you can have

1102
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,360
these anime stickers?
Do you want me to do one more?

1103
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,320
I'll give my are you?
Happy with the stickers?

1104
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,040
Yeah, Stickers.
All right.

1105
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:34,840
Is that good enough for you?
Yeah.

1106
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:37,080
It's fine.
Or I can also do a third one.

1107
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,840
I have my books here.
Promote them.

1108
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:46,440
OK, 376738. 738.
Who's got it?

1109
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,840
Oh wow, everybody's here.
Oh, Kelly.

1110
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,440
So it's probably Kelly because
everybody else is here.

1111
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,600
All right, So we're almost out
of time.

1112
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,760
OK, final thought.
Read my book.

1113
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,520
Read my book.
Hypnosis Time.

1114
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:09,480
So my final thought is this.
Thank you very much for coming

1115
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,800
out and being a guest on our
live show.

1116
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,680
It's really crazy how it's been
so long since we've done

1117
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,040
anything like this.
I mean, we do well.

1118
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,600
Neither of us has aged Sunday.
So for people who are listening

1119
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to this, you can actually go
onto the YouTube page and type

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in Kristen Gutsnick live stream.
You can find the video that I'm

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talking about on our YouTube
page.

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Very different hair.
You had the punk rock hair?

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Yeah, like Green.
Cool.

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Yeah.
Then I became a mom and I was

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like, I give up.
Hey, I bathe.

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That's like a win.
So that about does it for this

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week on.
It came from the radio.

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So join us right here every week
on this radio station.

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If you met any part of the show,
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www.itcameforreal.com.
Listen to archives to build in a

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week or so.
Our next live show, which will

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be on hold on.
I got to check my notes, which

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would be on 104th show at the
Eastfall Public Library will be

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on May 13th.
And we will have a comic book

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writer, creator and publisher
Phil Russell will be our guest.

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So with that, we'll see you all
next time.

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Thanks for being part of our
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listening to It Came from the
Radio with Mark Torres.

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