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This is Tom Travers.
Hello, everybody.

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Alright, thank you very much for
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So on this week's shows, I'm
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As always, you show off with the
sad news.

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We have two business sad news
out this week.

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We have actor, Venturequist and
television host Jimmy Weldon

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died recently.
As of this recording, which is

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July the 12th, 2023, no cause
has been announced While

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appearing in a handful of shows.
Jimmy is perhaps best known as

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the voice of the Hanna Barbaric
character Yacky Doodle, the

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Little Yellow and Green duck in
various cartoons in the Sixties,

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70s and 80s, as well as the
voice of Solomon Grundy and his

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Super Friends cartoons in the
80s.

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He was 99 years old.
Tom, are you familiar with the

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Super Friends cartoon?
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I mean, yeah.
Definitely a little bit.

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Not not a huge fan or anything
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You're not a calendar.
Super Friends.

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Nah.
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I mean, man, I.
Appreciate it.

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Kind of artist.
You're not a fan of the Super?

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I love Solomon Drundy.
That's why I was like, oh, yeah,

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all right.
I do love that character.

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So he was 99.
Wow.

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For the last of the sad news we
have Actress Andrea Lynn Evans

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also died recently from breast
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In her over 40 year career,
Andrea was perhaps best known

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for her work on daytime soaps
starring as Rebecca Hotchicks

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and on Bold and the Beautiful
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2011, Patty Williams on The
Young and the Restless from 1983

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to 1984, and most famously the
first and last Tina Lord on One

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Life to Live from 1978 to 1981,
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1985 to 1990 and a third and
fourth time in 2008 and 2011. 7

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Respectfully, she was 66.
Were you a big soap opera fan?

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No, but my dad was a stagehand
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operas really in the 80s and so,
So he may be familiar with her,

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her work.
I'm not sure about that.

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That's cool.
That's my only personal

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connection to soap operas.
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the set?
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didn't.
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at one point in my life because
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He helped me get in there and we
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I did some stagehand work so.
Not the soap operas, but he did

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the soap operas stuff.
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right?
So that's it for the sadness.

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So we're going to move on.
Let's see from the Carry on, my

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wayward son.
There will be peace when you are

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done.
Lay only we had to rest.

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Don't you cry.
No more department.

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None other than The CW has
announced that the supernatural

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train has finally made its last
stop with the cancellation of

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the prequel slash sequel series
The Winchesters after just one

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season.
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or care, for that matter,
Supernatural was The CW's

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longest running series.
So long, in fact, it started on

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the WB and ran for 15 seasons
from 2005 to 2020 and was about

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two brothers hunting monsters,
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The series, however, is still
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networks and Jackie to say we're
taking, we're talking not only

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about a story of where we want
to take out cats, we were

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talking about who we're going to
bring back from the mothership.

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We're going together a lot of
tricks to keep up with our

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sleeves and keep it exciting.
Not just the new fans, but also

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returning fans as well.
Hopefully we'll get to execute

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that.
I think that there's just a way

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to keep this alive and would be
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And then we don't know what it
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But there's also a certainly a
way of trying to to possible

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return a Supernatural down the
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It is something that Jared had
like me and I have talked about

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what it might look like.
Were you a fan of Supernatural?

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I was not.
I'm not a fan of.

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Worst guest for this stuff, but
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I'm aware of it.
I'm aware of the show, yeah.

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I know it's the show, yeah.
Maybe I'll check it out now.

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Is it on streaming and stuff?
It's on streaming everything I'm

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saying now, The show originally
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show and had it had ended at the
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it's probably one of the best
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there.
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10 years and never maintained
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It was OK, but like that first
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And then overdid it a little
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Well, I mean the ratings were
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So you know, that's I guess
that's the most important thing.

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And then the show finished and
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prequel sequel series for the
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And now only I can't stop the
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keep it.
Going I want to check it out.

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I got to check it out, so let's
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So moving on from the One Strike
and you're out follow up

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department.
As of this recording, which is

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once again July 12th, 2023, we
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Zero of the writers strike and
if there is no new contract made

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by the end of the day today, the
Screen Actors Guild will also go

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on strike, making it the first
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the writers were on strike at
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Because of which, and as
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episode of our show, San Diego
Comic Con is going to be the

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mostly studios and celebrity
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Now it has been announced that
if there is a strike, actors

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will be allowed to attend Comic
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participate in any studio run
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Of course, while attendance is
possible, the Union is strongly

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advising against any appearances
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On top of that, none other than
Sanyo Comic Con has announced

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that Fall H, their biggest
stage, will not have any panels

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at all on Sunday and will be
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To be fair, the majority of
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Friday and Saturday of the four
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Now I remember when I went to
Santa Comic Con, I went there

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twice in 2008 and 2018 and I and
I didn't know about Hall H when

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I went there and when I went
there lost the TV show Lost was

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a big deal.
And I had heard like the next

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day that the entire cast was
lost, was on the panel and I

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completely missed it.
And now people, you know, camp

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out.
When I went back in 2018, people

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were camping out literally to
get into this giant hall to see

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all the big celebrities.
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was announced on that stage,
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So the fact that the writers
strike is going on and the

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active strike is going on, and
it's severely affecting Sanyo

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Comic Con.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

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As an independent creator, what
are your thoughts on this whole

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thing?
I don't know.

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Maybe it'll bring the attention
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make Comic Con about the comics
again.

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So maybe that's the pot of the
silver lining.

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But you know send send people to
artists alley and check out

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comics because that's what the
conventions used to be about.

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So let's bring it back to that.
But that is that is pretty

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insane because I know that
that's that is a really big deal

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for the show is to have the the
big Hollywood announcements and

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everything.
So it's obviously going to have

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potentially huge impact on that.
So that's pretty nuts, but.

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And what do you think, Elman,
Jenny Kelvin, who usually walked

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in?
Not the time to be part of the

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gang.
Yeah, not the time to be.

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Part of.
Again, I know we didn't want to

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start again, but you can see
that if you join the gang of Sad

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and Hollywood, it's not working
out so well for them.

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And you know, work for whatever
your game does.

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So I will definitely.
Just a reminder to me to remain

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independent, not pick a partner.
I would never again sort of use

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to chat with anyone else and I'm
not doing the game of sad

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probably ever.
So you don't think that it's a

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it's a bad thing or anything is
a good thing?

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I think it's a bad thing for
many people, but.

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I'm also commenting on a world
that I have no interest in and I

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think it's very sad for people
who have sacrificed and

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dedicated their lives to be part
of the SAD union.

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I years ago we thought it was a
dumb thing to do.

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I know it works out very well
for a lot of people, but my

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opinion comes from my viewpoint
and it is not for me.

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Fair enough, fair enough.
Now I remember in the 90s there

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was talk about having a comic
book union, that there was going

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to be a thing.
That way all the all the complex

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creators got together.
But then it kept on falling

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apart because no one could
figure out how exactly it got.

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Before Image Comics or after,
this was like right after Image

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formed because it was talk
about, it was talk about the

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complex stores be coming to
together like a cohesive unit.

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And then because that was when
the the boom of the industry was

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happening and it all just kind
of fell apart as the years went

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on.
So do you think having a

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conflict union as a conflict
creator, would that be something

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that you would join into?
Would be like now I'm good being

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an independent?
I don't know.

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I mean, if you're yeah, it can
get complicated with unions,

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but.
I'm sure if you're like a really

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working professional comic book
creator who's doing this for a

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living, you have a family and
stuff like that, a union would

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probably be pretty appealing to
have that kind of protection.

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I'd be interested to see like
how they would handle that.

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You know, how they would set it
up and approach it when it comes

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to comic book creation.
And you know, it would be

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interesting to see.
So moving on from the that's a

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lot of nuts department.
The new Insidious sequel has

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taken the number one spot in the
domestic box office, pulling in

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$33 million in ticket sales in
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knocking off the new Indiana
Jones sequel from the number one

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spot, which made an additional
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of release.
For those of you keeping track,

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the Super Mario Brothers movie
is still the highest grossing

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film of this year with $573.8
million and counting, followed

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by the new animated Spidey
sequel with $358.9 million.

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Insidious comes in at #28.
Did you manage to see either of

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these movies?
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No.
On the most uninteresting with

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the movies, Jenna hasn't seen
the movies either.

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I managed to see Super Mario
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I have yet to see the Indiana
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I'm concerned about it, but I'm
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As you know, I usually go out of
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not to see trailers, so I'm only
hearing and Queens about that.

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They might have emasculated
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So yeah, so I'm so I'm curious,
but I'm like, you know what?

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Let me just go in clean, go in
not knowing and enjoy for what

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it is.
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than I find if I come up with
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How has it has it been?
I don't know.

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That's what I'm saying.
I I have not, I have not done

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any digging because that would
be me funny out about something

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about the movie, which I don't
want to know anything about.

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I saw that's that's exactly what
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So when I saw the spider verse,
when I saw, I saw flash, I saw

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spider verse and there was
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everybody else knew about but I
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I was pleasantly surprised like,
oh, that was cool.

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I didn't know I was in there.
And then I see things in the

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movie and then I go, oh, that's
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Like I see things on the
Internet I try not pay attention

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to.
I just kind of scroll past it.

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So there's certain things you
see and I try not to make it

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registered, but it's like an
image or something.

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I was like, no, I don't get it.
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it's like, oh, now I get it.
And I think it may enhances my

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enjoying of of these movies in
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I like not knowing anything
about it, just going in

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straight.
Because I figure if I'm going to

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watch a movie, I don't need to
know anything else about it.

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I'm going to watch this movie
either if I pay for it or not.

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That's a whole different story.
But I'm going to watch this

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movie now if it's something that
I don't haven't decided on what

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I want to see enough.
I might watch the trailer, might

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be a little bit about about the
movie, But if I already know I'm

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going to see this movie, I don't
want spoilers because I've come

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to realize over the years, at
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when I'm watching all the
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put together a movie in my own
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what I've seen on the screen.
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people get upset because they
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trailer, which we talked about
that they make fake trailers

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now, so not to have spoilers.
So you're going watching fake

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trailers to see a movie based on
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You're going to theater.
Hey, that's not in the movie.

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Hey, that's not there.
Why am I going to see this movie

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that I paid to see?
Because of the advertising.

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It's not what I'm going into,
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Well, maybe the fake trailers
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example.
I'm filming a website right now

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and there is a trailer of films
and now we're shooting the

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pilot.
So how do they know that

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whatever we shoot in the pilot
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in the trailer?
Wouldn't have been smarter to

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just shoot the pilot cool scenes
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instead of making everyone go
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which might not even match what
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I might even drop out of the
website, so the.

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Trailer might not match.
Anything, because the pilot

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might not have me in it.
You know, it's funny you

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mentioned that.
I've actually seen a lot of

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smaller independent films or
even what's called the teaser

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trailer, which is just trying to
get the interest of you into the

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product, which not necessarily
has anything to do with the

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actual movie.
One of the things that I

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realized, he was Power Ranger
fans, you know I am.

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There was a trailer for the
movie called The Order and it

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had a lot of Power Ranger actors
to be in it.

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They did a crowdfunding, it
funded, it never got made.

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And what they did was they
filmed a proof of concept.

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That's what she called it.
Because we had around as a guest

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on the show that they they made
a proof of concept to take the

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trailer and and shop it around
to studios that gain interest.

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So that might be what the idea
was also, but that should not be

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what the trailer should be.
I think it's very misleading.

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I think people should should.
There should be so much

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oversaturation of the marketing.
If you're going to go see a

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movie, what are you going to
talk from that?

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Yeah, I think I like what you
were saying before about

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avoiding all the, the heavy
watching of trailers and all

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that stuff to just avoid
disappointment.

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I think that that's a good, good
policy.

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And yeah, sometimes they overdo
it with the advertising and

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everything and they create
unrealistic expectations and

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everything.
So yeah, I would avoid it.

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So Speaking of unexpected
expectations over expectations,

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also from the That's A Lot of
Nuts department with The Flash

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being designated a box office
bomb now the list of the top ten

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biggest box office Conflict
movies has been updated and The

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Flash now stands above the pack
at #1 with an estimated loss of

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$200 million.
Wow.

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Followed by Shazam Part 2 with a
loss of $150 million.

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Wonder Woman Part 2 with a loss
of $137,000,000 X-Men George

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Phoenix, which was the last one
before the studio sold, has an

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estimated loss of $133 million.
The these Suicide Squad, which I

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think that's the second one,
these Suicide Squad.

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Suicide Squad, because the first
one was Suicide Squad, the

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second one was the Suicide
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Well, one of the was the loss of
$130,000,000 I.

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Didn't know all these movies
were losing all this money.

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Black Adam with The Rock was a
loss of $100 million.

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The latest Fantastic Four movie
was another $100 million loss.

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RIPV with Jeff Bridges and Ryan
Reynolds was a loss for $92

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million.
The New Mutants, which was

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filmed and sat on the shelf for
years before it actually came

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out, and I saw it during the
pandemic.

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I saw it as a drive through.
It was really cool.

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That lost $84 million.
And the Ryan Reynolds Green

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Lantern film lost $75 million.
And this is just the amount of

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money that he put to making the
movie.

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This is not counting the
marketing, which is what they

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say is 3 times the budget of the
film.

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Right.
So they've lost a big bag of

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money.
Yeah, on these films.

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Do you?
What's he?

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Happened for the loss.
So based it, well, yeah.

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Mostly it's because they are not
selling as much tickets as they

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had anticipated on selling.
Because if you think about it,

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with all this marketing, they're
trying to get people into seats,

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into theaters.
They're just not going.

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The pandemic didn't help.
Streaming didn't help, but they

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they it's still the antiquated
system of that.

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The only way to quote UN quote
validate a a movie is that first

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weekend box office.
So if you're not making over

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$100 million minimum that first
week, you're considered a wow.

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And I remember in the old days,
a movie can, you know, last a

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long amount of time.
I mean, look at Titanic, which

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is I think the second highest
listen film of all time, might

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be the third.
That movie lasted, I think, 15

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weeks at #1, and it slowly
builds up the money, right?

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Avatar.
We were actually doing the show

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and Avatar came out, and I
distinctly remember because

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everybody said it was going to
be a flop because that's the

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first, that's the very first
Avatar.

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Yep.
It came out on a weekend where

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we had a snowstorm on the East
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And so nobody wants to see the
movie and like, oh, it's it's

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James Cameron is, you know, he
doesn't, He lost his touch.

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He's not going to make any money
because that first weekend

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didn't make any money and then
the following week and then it

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went up.
And I think it, I think it's

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like 5 or six weeks at #1.
And it went crazy.

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Yeah.
There's room for more money to

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make or is this the final
number?

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Well, they, they, they count,
they count it as a theater.

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So once it's in the theater, and
it's.

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Out of the theater, that counts
as a loss.

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So even if it makes up its money
on streaming, if it makes up the

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money on DVD sales, that doesn't
count.

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It counts what it made in the
box office for some reason.

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Like I said, it's all about
being first so you can have

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movies that are that have become
cult classics or movies that

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have become fan favorites that
weren't popular in the theaters.

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The 1:00 I could think of at the
top of my head would be Scott

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Pilgrim.
That's terrible in the theaters,

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but apparently said The Love
Moon.

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It was pretty darn good.
I saw it, took me years to see

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it, but it's extremely popular,
has a huge fall, and people will

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see rereleases of it.
Scott Pilgrim versus the World.

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Based on the comic book?
Yeah.

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Based on the comic book with the
guy from Arrested Development.

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The the kid.
Superbad.

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What's?
Yeah, Yeah.

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Forgetting his name?
The skinny guy Michael Sierra.

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Michael Sierra was in it.
It had Captain America in it.

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It had Captain Marvel in it.
It had the Punisher in it.

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It had a pretty All Star cast
back in the day that they became

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stars later on.
So now it's more of an

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impressive thing to say, I.
Think it was a critically

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acclaimed movie.
Generally people like critically

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acclaimed, but nobody wants to
see it because they didn't get

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it.
Like I think it was ahead of its

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time.
Have you ever seen?

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Yeah, I saw.
I did see Scott Builder, Yeah,

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so.
Years ago.

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So what did you think?
Was it like a comic?

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A.
True comic book or I remember

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being like, yeah, this is really
like they were going for things

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that were very direct, like from
the comic books.

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But yeah, which I hadn't seen
too often before in film.

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I remember that That struck me
about that movie.

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So do you guys think that maybe
the cost of making movies should

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be lower?
So that's one thing that you

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have to consider, that the movie
studios are putting way too much

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money into making the film,
expecting a higher return.

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If they reduce the budget
somehow, then they would make

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more money.
However, the problem is there's

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now an expectation when it comes
to big budget movies.

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The CGI is a big bag of money in
and of itself, and then getting

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these actors and actresses costs
a lot of money.

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If you look at the the
multiverse of movies, you're

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getting actors that have been
around for a long time.

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Originally when the Marvel
movies came out, they signed

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people for six 7-8 movies.
So therefore you're stuck in

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that contract and then it's
trying to renegotiate.

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That's when the big money comes
in.

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You may not remember this, but
when Iron Man no.

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When Avengers Part 2 was coming
out, they weren't sure if Robert

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Downey Junior was going to come
back because he wanted a big fat

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paycheck and they were debating
on whether just to have him in

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the suit and not having to show
up at all.

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Like so.
When he showed up in the

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Spiderman one, the second one,
whatever Spiderman was one way

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home.
Something home far from home.

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One of the Spiderman no way
home.

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One of them, The second
Spiderman.

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The 2nd, the third second
Spiderman film.

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Iron Man appears in that when
Iron Man shows out, he got paid

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like a couple $100 million just
for like 10.

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They did like a 10 minute.
They did a time of how much he

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was on screen.
It's like 10 minutes.

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So that's money that they just
throw in there.

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So they have to figure out if we
put more money into it, we

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should get a higher return.
But because of the way the

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system is, it's not happening
anymore.

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It's far and few between.
The spider verse movie I just

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came out, which is the second
highest closing film of the

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year.
Nobody expected to do that.

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Well, the first movie was
amazing.

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And even myself, I thought the
movie wasn't going to be any

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good because it took so long to
make to make the first movie.

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And that movie was made over the
course of many years to do it.

448
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:41,610
Like if you listen to the behind
the scenes and interviews,

449
00:23:41,810 --> 00:23:43,970
you're like, yeah, we recorded
that thing, you know, years back

450
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:45,690
and it did little by little by
little by little.

451
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,170
And then it came out and it was
a huge hit.

452
00:23:47,290 --> 00:23:49,570
So much so that Sony is like,
we're going to make another one

453
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:51,290
now.
So I was worried that the

454
00:23:51,290 --> 00:23:54,810
quality was going to go down,
but apparently they hired A

455
00:23:54,810 --> 00:23:58,770
bazillion more animators to get
it done on time.

456
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,570
Yeah.
People seem to love it, and it

457
00:24:00,850 --> 00:24:05,290
came out in this amazing film.
So that is something that they

458
00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:07,690
had to put extra money in to get
the animators to get The voice

459
00:24:07,690 --> 00:24:10,850
has to get it done right now.
And now they're talking about

460
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:13,170
the next one's going to be in
2024 and they're still working

461
00:24:13,170 --> 00:24:15,210
on it right now.
Speaking of seagulls, sorry to

462
00:24:15,210 --> 00:24:17,370
change it, but how did Avatar 2
do?

463
00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:22,740
Avatar Two is it it it came out,
it made its money and then it

464
00:24:22,740 --> 00:24:24,060
didn't make out as much as it
did.

465
00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:27,220
I think it's probably like the
4th or 5th from the highest of

466
00:24:27,220 --> 00:24:30,020
this year.
It made its money, but it did

467
00:24:30,020 --> 00:24:34,420
more internationally than
anything because they actually,

468
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:39,460
we reported this on how that the
movie had to make $2 billion to

469
00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:42,240
break even.
That was the that was the amount

470
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080
that it had to make before it
broke even.

471
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,520
And once again, that's not
including the marketing budget.

472
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,520
That's just how much it costs to
make the film.

473
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,600
And it did overseas all the
money together.

474
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,840
It did break the 2,000,000 but
it didn't make the money here,

475
00:24:56,530 --> 00:24:59,210
so the the.
Why did that cost so much to

476
00:24:59,210 --> 00:25:00,530
make just all the special
effects?

477
00:25:00,610 --> 00:25:03,090
So it's all the CG, Yeah, it's
all CG.

478
00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:05,890
It's all, yeah.
But there's not even big actors

479
00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:07,890
in the Avatar.
Zoe, Sal, Zoe, Sal.

480
00:25:07,930 --> 00:25:11,810
It's weird yet you would think
you would think Zoe Saldana is

481
00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:15,650
not a big actor, but she's in
like 5 of the highest grossing

482
00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:18,210
films.
Like if you look at her track

483
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:23,120
record, she's made so many
movies that has made a bazillion

484
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,560
dollars.
She should clarify.

485
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,760
That's true.
That's true as a as a listen.

486
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,440
Although she really isn't, which
is weird because when you said

487
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,840
I'm like, Oh yeah.
Yeah, like, I don't.

488
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,360
I don't think of anybody in
Avatar.

489
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,960
She's personally she's no Tom.
Right.

490
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,800
I'm thinking of like, you know,
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Tom for

491
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,840
his, you know, the big, the huge
marquee names and like in Avatar

492
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,640
2, Avatar, what's the guy?
Sam Worthington, Sam

493
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,360
Worthington.
He's not like, I don't know, is

494
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,400
he a bigger box office drawing?
So I don't know With we're

495
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,240
almost had time for the new
segment, but I do.

496
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Well, I'll get into this really,
really quickly, right.

497
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,600
Right.
What's interesting about Sam

498
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,560
Worthington is that at the time
when Avatar One was being

499
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,760
filmed, he was built as being
the next big action. * they

500
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,440
were.
They were.

501
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,240
They wanted him to be the next
Tom Cruise.

502
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,160
I remember that distinctly.
And they were pushing him to be

503
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,920
in all these movies and all the
movies were flopping.

504
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,120
He was fresh from Titans.
He was in Clash of Titans.

505
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,080
He was in.
He was in The Terminator.

506
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,160
He was in one of the Terminators
and and they were pushing him

507
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,160
and pushing him.
So it was one of those

508
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,830
situations where it wasn't on an
organic rise to fame, right?

509
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:33,470
And for some reason the audience
hates when you're being shoved.

510
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:37,670
Yeah, a star.
To contrived like the guy who

511
00:26:37,670 --> 00:26:43,200
played Gambit in the X-Men film.
He was also being pushed.

512
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,800
He was in a John Carter of Mars.
Oh, yes.

513
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,920
Yeah, I know he's the Battleship
movie, OK?

514
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,160
And he would, they were pushing
him to be the next, the next big

515
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,880
thing and his movie swap.
And then he just kind of pushed

516
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
him aside.
We don't want to hear about that

517
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480
guy anymore.
So who's the biggest star now?

518
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Tom Cruise, right.
It's so weird that he's managed

519
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,280
to have this following and Tom
Cruise can bring in on his own.

520
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Absolutely.
Money.

521
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:16,280
That kind of star power is not
common anymore, so that's really

522
00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,840
it.
In New Yorker.

523
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,280
Nice.
That's cool.

524
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,440
That's awesome.
Yeah, you.

525
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,400
Jump off the couch.
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526
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,920
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554
00:29:03,780 --> 00:29:06,180
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555
00:29:06,180 --> 00:29:09,020
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is Legendary Artist Contractors.

556
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:11,820
Hello.
So, Tom, I've known you for

557
00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:13,260
quite some time.
I've seen you at tons of

558
00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:17,700
conventions and you've always
been a print guy, but you've

559
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,100
always had the desire to do your
own book.

560
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:21,780
We we've talked about it many a
time.

561
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:25,540
So did you finally get a chance
to make your book?

562
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:26,500
Yes.
Yeah.

563
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:28,260
So tell us a little bit about
your book.

564
00:29:29,020 --> 00:29:32,380
It's called Yep, got some copies
right here.

565
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:36,990
Take a look at it all right.
It's called Horn Helm Studios

566
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:41,310
Presents and it's an anthology
style book.

567
00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:46,550
It's got several short stories
in it, each one featuring like

568
00:29:46,550 --> 00:29:49,950
different, you know, different
creator owned property of mine.

569
00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:53,350
It's all my stuff, different
ideas that I wanted to develop.

570
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:58,870
So it's got my my main character
battle scale who's like my

571
00:29:58,870 --> 00:30:01,180
flagship.
Personal character that I'm

572
00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:03,940
trying to develop for years.
It's got a couple of his stories

573
00:30:03,940 --> 00:30:07,980
in there and then some other fun
eclectic mixture of different

574
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:09,460
things.
Just whatever I was inspired to

575
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:12,540
put together.
I just sat down and drew it and

576
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,700
got it put together over a
couple couple of years.

577
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:16,500
Teamed up with some great
colorists and.

578
00:30:16,990 --> 00:30:19,990
Letterers and they helped me get
this really to a nice finished

579
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:21,190
product.
I'm pretty happy with it.

580
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:22,670
You.
Know this kind of reminds me of

581
00:30:22,670 --> 00:30:24,870
garbage.
Shell kids, Yeah, from Trauma,

582
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:27,830
definitely.
You're inspired by Yeah, that

583
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:31,270
story Trashed and Dwellers that
is totally inspired by Trouma

584
00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:35,310
and Garbage Pail Kids.
That kind of vibe.

585
00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:39,550
Yeah, yeah.
And they're listed on.

586
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:42,350
I saw some list of like the top
ten worst movies.

587
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:44,670
Like, I think it's that time.
Yeah, the the movie, the live

588
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:46,470
action movie is out of control.
I don't know if you've seen it.

589
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:47,470
Have you seen it?
Have you?

590
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:48,990
Seen it?
The live action, Garbage bell,

591
00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:50,790
kids.
Is it different than the

592
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:54,590
original garbage field kids?
No, it's it's the the live

593
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:55,670
action movie.
There's a live.

594
00:30:55,670 --> 00:30:56,630
There's only one.
Yeah.

595
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:57,310
The only one.
Yeah.

596
00:30:58,390 --> 00:30:59,510
Yeah.
Separate right now.

597
00:30:59,550 --> 00:31:01,230
Of course.
So I oh, that's my.

598
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:03,350
Idea.
I've watched it like on time and

599
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:05,270
that's my bar of what type of
work?

600
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:06,750
Yeah.
Nice.

601
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:07,270
Nice.
Nice.

602
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:11,110
So, you know, I'll keep ending
up on the worst of the worst

603
00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:14,590
list, and that's great.
And I did a crazy stand up.

604
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:18,230
Which one person loved and few
people hated, I guess.

605
00:31:18,270 --> 00:31:19,150
I don't know.
Yeah.

606
00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:22,230
So anyway, back to you.
Very creative.

607
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:24,830
It has like a grungy type of
feel, right?

608
00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:29,630
Yeah, I'd like to have like a
lot of texture in my stuff.

609
00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:31,630
That's what you're noticing.
Yeah, I had little, you know, a

610
00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:34,690
lot of.
Surface textures and I like to

611
00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:39,810
get into the drawing and really
try to give it weight and make

612
00:31:39,810 --> 00:31:43,690
it, make it feel crunchy.
That's the the adjective, Oddly

613
00:31:43,690 --> 00:31:46,890
enough, I heard one of my
favorite comment of artists say

614
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:49,090
that about the type of comic
work that he likes.

615
00:31:49,090 --> 00:31:50,770
Dan Fraga, I don't know if you
know Dan Fraga.

616
00:31:50,770 --> 00:31:54,930
Yeah, he said crunchy, like you
got to make the art crunchy.

617
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:56,890
And I like that because I know
what I know what he's talking

618
00:31:56,890 --> 00:31:58,090
about.
It's hard to articulate, but I

619
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:59,290
know what he's talking about.
It's like.

620
00:32:00,370 --> 00:32:02,130
You know, the art has a lot
going on.

621
00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:06,610
It's like, you know, yeah,
little busy, intentionally busy,

622
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:10,410
just to give you a lot of things
to look at and and keep it fun

623
00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:13,930
and interesting and yeah,
inspired by like the 90s comic

624
00:32:13,930 --> 00:32:16,730
book art.
Tom McFarlane, you know, the

625
00:32:16,770 --> 00:32:19,090
image guys.
Stuff like that to an extent,

626
00:32:19,090 --> 00:32:22,930
Absolutely.
So yeah, I get the textures in

627
00:32:22,930 --> 00:32:24,730
there.
Grungy works.

628
00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:26,530
That definitely works as an
adjective.

629
00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:28,570
For it, yeah.
It's like the opposite of

630
00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:30,100
Chanel.
Like Chanel?

631
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:32,140
Yeah.
Is that clean?

632
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:36,500
This is the opposite.
Totally, yeah.

633
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:37,580
Totally.
Yep.

634
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,340
Absolutely.
So I don't see a makeup well.

635
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,900
I'm sure there's some, like
grungy makeup companies that

636
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:46,500
would make you want this
aesthetic like a grunge type of

637
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:47,740
book.
Trauma filming.

638
00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:51,460
Maybe Trauma came out with a
makeup line that hires you to

639
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:55,940
illustrate their makeup.
Line might work OK Can you get

640
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:57,820
my number to?
What's his name?

641
00:32:57,820 --> 00:32:59,220
Lloyd.
Yeah, he's the main man.

642
00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:01,620
Main man of trauma.
Yeah, Lloyd, and.

643
00:33:01,940 --> 00:33:05,140
Michael Hearst, Yeah, checks.
He's in a comma style.

644
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:07,220
You're in trouble with.
Yeah, I keep coming out.

645
00:33:07,380 --> 00:33:09,740
It's going to have a
theatrically spring on the dams

646
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:15,180
and tie on the Tiger base and
high school friends who I

647
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:18,180
actually asked to prom, but he
was too cool to go to prom.

648
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:21,460
So I guess technically I had two
prom days, but he just did some

649
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:23,620
artwork and I'm going to give it
to Lloyd.

650
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:24,380
Nice.
Nice.

651
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:27,250
Yeah, Excellent.
Very cool.

652
00:33:27,410 --> 00:33:31,490
So when you said you took years
to pull this together, is it

653
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:35,050
something that you have written
years ago or were you writing it

654
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:39,090
throughout the years and
changing your writing style as

655
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:41,610
the years kind of thought?
Yeah, it was happening over the

656
00:33:41,610 --> 00:33:44,730
course of years.
Like, you know, I would just be

657
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:49,250
sketching in a sketchbook and
then draw a character and and

658
00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:52,490
say I love this character
design, I want to build a story

659
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:54,690
around this.
And so that would happen.

660
00:33:55,330 --> 00:33:57,850
Over the course of years, yeah.
I didn't have it all planned out

661
00:33:58,250 --> 00:34:00,210
or anything like that.
Some of the stuff was conceived

662
00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:03,570
of a long time ago and I didn't
get a chance to, you know, flesh

663
00:34:03,570 --> 00:34:06,330
it out and actually turn it into
comic book pages and make the

664
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:08,590
story until I got.
Further alone.

665
00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:10,270
But yeah, it happened
organically over time.

666
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:14,190
So did you find that you had to
constantly change the story

667
00:34:14,190 --> 00:34:17,110
ideas as the times have changed,
because stuff that you have

668
00:34:17,110 --> 00:34:20,510
written back then might not be
politically correct to be having

669
00:34:20,909 --> 00:34:23,469
helping out now?
Yeah, I don't know.

670
00:34:23,469 --> 00:34:26,949
My work, for me, it's like
completely apolitical.

671
00:34:26,949 --> 00:34:28,949
My stuff.
It's really, I'm not making

672
00:34:28,949 --> 00:34:30,590
those kind of statements
generally.

673
00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:32,949
So I wasn't too concerned about
that.

674
00:34:34,270 --> 00:34:35,710
I just wanted, yeah, just do
what I.

675
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,920
I wanted to do a lot of.
It's inspired by the stuff I

676
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,560
grew up with as a kids.
It's all it's kind of nostalgic

677
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,199
work anyway, so it's kind of
old.

678
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,400
It's inspired by old stuff.
So Mad Max, yeah, I mean, I'm a

679
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,600
fan of Mad Max.
Yeah.

680
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,320
Yep, Definitely a little bit of
anesthetic there.

681
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,320
So yeah, I mean, it was like
nostalgia based anyway, so I

682
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,040
didn't really feel like I had to
mold things to any current

683
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,520
styles or or sensibilities of,
you know, the current leadership

684
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,250
or whatever or.
Current year politics or

685
00:35:06,250 --> 00:35:09,530
anything like that, It's pretty
out there stuff.

686
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:11,410
It's not really a lot of.
It's not really like a real

687
00:35:11,410 --> 00:35:13,370
world.
It has nothing to do with the

688
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:15,330
real world.
So I didn't have to be too

689
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:19,410
conscious of that, honestly.
So when you're making books and

690
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:22,530
you said that it took a little
while to do it, as as myself I

691
00:35:22,530 --> 00:35:25,290
it took me 30 years to make my
own comic book that I've been

692
00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:27,890
mixing up loading.
That was awesome.

693
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:31,730
Your book, it looks great.
So what do you find has been the

694
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:34,330
difference between trying to
make a book back then?

695
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:36,290
As to making a book now, like
what?

696
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:38,610
What was the deciding packet
that allows you to make this

697
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:45,130
book happen this year?
Well, I guess maybe being able

698
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:47,890
to coordinate all the different
people who are involved was a

699
00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:50,410
little easier, maybe using the
Internet and everything, like

700
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:55,290
the colorists and the letterers
and finding the right people.

701
00:35:55,290 --> 00:35:56,930
I think that's what really
brought the book finally

702
00:35:56,930 --> 00:36:00,410
together was I just, I found the
people I really wanted to work

703
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:01,050
with.
And then?

704
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:04,310
That moved things along.
I was able to, you know, budget

705
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:10,630
things out more specifically and
get things finished along the

706
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:13,990
line.
Yeah, I guess, I guess you're

707
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:16,590
saying like the difference in
technology or whatever

708
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:18,830
difference it is.
Like for me, I noticed that

709
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:21,310
because of the crowdfunding and
the pandemic, it really did

710
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:25,150
change things in my perspective,
but it could be different for

711
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:28,270
you.
Yeah, yeah, Like crowdfunding,

712
00:36:28,270 --> 00:36:31,160
Definitely.
I didn't do that for this book,

713
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,080
but I am thinking about it for
the future because it it's

714
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,440
awesome, you know, to see what
people are able to achieve with

715
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,720
the crowdfunding.
But yeah, I've kind of taken the

716
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:44,120
same approach I guess to
creating my own stuff since I

717
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,120
was like honestly, yeah, long,
many years ago when I was in

718
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,400
high school, like
self-publishing stuff.

719
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920
The same kind of just like I'm
just going to do this the way I

720
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160
want to do it and put it out
there and and just make things

721
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,480
come together the way I want to
do it.

722
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,320
And you know, I I probably
could.

723
00:37:00,050 --> 00:37:02,330
Branch out for and do
crowdfunding and stuff like

724
00:37:02,330 --> 00:37:03,890
that.
I want to push myself to try

725
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:07,170
those types of methods moving
forward for sure.

726
00:37:07,490 --> 00:37:13,490
Now you are an artist, a writer,
a colorist already, so why would

727
00:37:13,490 --> 00:37:16,650
you go out and get other people
to do work when you can do it

728
00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:17,490
all yourself?
Right.

729
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:21,410
Well the what was the logic
behind that?

730
00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:25,610
I I wanted the book to have a
certain quality to it, that I

731
00:37:25,610 --> 00:37:28,850
knew my personal style wasn't
necessarily the right.

732
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,840
I couldn't, I couldn't do it all
the way.

733
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,880
I wanted to do it on my own like
I wanted the I have my hand

734
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,320
colored artwork that I can do.
I don't do digital colors

735
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,040
myself, so my coloring is hand
colored generally when I do

736
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,880
color a piece.
So I wanted to get a cohesive

737
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680
look for the whole book.
I wanted to look, you know, kind

738
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,720
of cutting edge and you know up
to the standards of current day

739
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,800
full color comic books.
So my hand coloring technique.

740
00:37:54,270 --> 00:37:56,550
I didn't think was appropriate
for this particular book.

741
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:58,350
I wanted to.
So I teamed up with Digital

742
00:37:58,350 --> 00:38:02,950
Posts and you know, so that, you
know, I was able to get the look

743
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:05,430
I wanted.
So I guess I was just

744
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:10,150
recognizing my own limitations,
I guess, or my own, you know,

745
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:12,910
what I was personally capable of
or what I personally want to do.

746
00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:14,950
And I said, you know, I can
enhance what I'm able to do by

747
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:17,630
teaming up with other people.
So and also with the lettering

748
00:38:17,630 --> 00:38:20,030
like I didn't want to letter the
whole thing by hand like.

749
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:23,700
I'm not a letterer, but not a
professional letterer or

750
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:26,060
anything like that.
So I had to hire graphic

751
00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:28,300
designer to help me out with the
lettering and the design stuff

752
00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:31,660
and get it just the way I wanted
to do is wanted it to be so you

753
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:33,340
know you got to team up with
people.

754
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:36,170
So that does pull back to the
earlier question about what was

755
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:39,010
the difference the technology
for you to have computer

756
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:41,490
coloring, because back then it
wasn't computer color.

757
00:38:41,530 --> 00:38:44,650
That's true, yes.
So it wasn't even a possibility

758
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:46,050
to have this done that?
Right.

759
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:49,290
Or if you did do it back then,
what would it look like?

760
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:51,810
Do you think it would be
anything close to what it

761
00:38:51,810 --> 00:38:54,570
represents now, or do you think
it would be exactly what you had

762
00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:55,530
envisioned?
No.

763
00:38:55,570 --> 00:38:56,810
Yeah.
If I had to do this years ago,

764
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:59,090
like too many years ago, I don't
know.

765
00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:01,450
No way.
I mean without.

766
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:04,820
Without the people who I was
able to team up with, it

767
00:39:04,820 --> 00:39:08,340
wouldn't be the same at all.
And that's that is definitely

768
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:10,500
important to how the book came
out was.

769
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:13,340
I was able to find the Internet,
you know, social media and

770
00:39:13,340 --> 00:39:15,340
everything.
You can find incredibly talented

771
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:18,660
people, you know, everywhere,
like easily.

772
00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,780
I mean there's guys posting
their portfolios every day,

773
00:39:21,980 --> 00:39:24,980
beautiful color, color work,
colorists, letterers.

774
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,900
I think I found my letter.
I just tweeted.

775
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:31,540
Out to the world and said is
there any count of letters like

776
00:39:31,540 --> 00:39:34,100
out there like looking for work
and this guy contacted me so it

777
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:37,860
just you know it's it is amazing
you know how you can reach

778
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:39,820
people and team up with people
and.

779
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:41,700
Did you meet?
Him.

780
00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:43,220
No, not in person.
You never met him in?

781
00:39:43,220 --> 00:39:44,740
Person Never met any of these
people in person.

782
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:45,940
Yeah, that's what's weird about
it.

783
00:39:45,940 --> 00:39:47,900
Like, never met any of these
people in person, anybody who

784
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:50,490
works in the book.
So many of remote teams now.

785
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:53,570
A lot of your characters,
there's a big emphasis on

786
00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:56,890
eyeballs, glowing eyeballs,
eyeballs popping out.

787
00:39:56,890 --> 00:39:59,130
One of the characters has three
eyeballs.

788
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:03,490
Now a lot of times, at least
what I find before going to for

789
00:40:03,490 --> 00:40:06,570
example, I'm going to be
directing commercial for a

790
00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:09,370
surgical team on Sunday.
So every time you do a new

791
00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:12,170
project it teaches you something
in life.

792
00:40:12,170 --> 00:40:16,010
And some I find that I look at
the world with new eyes after

793
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:17,730
every new thing I do.
So.

794
00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:22,450
Before the book, you probably
have one perspective on the

795
00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:26,090
light, on the world and yourself
and your capabilities.

796
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:30,570
And now, after completion, how
do you look at yourself, the

797
00:40:30,570 --> 00:40:33,650
world, your capabilities, What's
possible differently?

798
00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:40,650
I yeah, that's a good question.
I'm pretty proud of the book to

799
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:42,050
be honest.
I thought it came out great.

800
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:44,530
So I was like wow, yeah, this I
can, I can self publish.

801
00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:47,370
I can do this.
It did show me that I can do.

802
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:50,490
Some pretty high quality work by
my standards and make it looks

803
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:54,090
pretty darn good, you know, like
get team together, team up with

804
00:40:54,090 --> 00:40:56,250
the right people and you can
really make incredible stuff

805
00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:59,810
happen.
So it's encouraged me to do more

806
00:41:00,130 --> 00:41:01,890
and to consider things like
crowdfunding.

807
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:03,490
Because I I look at this stuff
and I said, you know what?

808
00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:06,970
If I got this in front of the
right people and I promoted it

809
00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:09,930
properly, I probably could raise
money for this, You know, Like

810
00:41:10,450 --> 00:41:12,690
it gave me a boost of
confidence, I would say with

811
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:15,250
creative work, absolutely, you
know?

812
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,680
Getting the book out there,
holding it in your hands like

813
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,400
this is my finished product and
I can bring this to shows that

814
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,680
that it's, it makes you feel
good that you have something

815
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
complete and that definitely
changes your perspective.

816
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,920
Like for years I was just doing
fan art like, you know and you

817
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,320
know prints at the shows and
everything and that was fun and

818
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,280
that was rewarding.
But it doesn't compare to your

819
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,480
own work, you know, when you're
doing your own creation.

820
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,080
So this gave me a whole new
feeling about like when I do a

821
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,320
convention now if I sell a copy
of the comic it.

822
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:46,990
It means a lot to me.
It feels it's it's very

823
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:49,870
satisfying, you know, more so I
would say.

824
00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:51,790
Well, maybe not more so, but
differently.

825
00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:54,070
It makes me feel differently
than selling like a Godzilla

826
00:41:54,430 --> 00:41:56,350
print by selling a drawing of
Godzilla.

827
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:59,190
I love Godzilla, but Godzilla is
not my creation.

828
00:42:00,110 --> 00:42:03,830
So when I sell my book, that
makes me feel Do you think

829
00:42:03,830 --> 00:42:06,470
you'll make any discount, just
come to life and like stuffed

830
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:10,780
animals or have people possibly
cost flying some?

831
00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,860
Of these, that would be very
flattering if people chose to do

832
00:42:13,860 --> 00:42:15,540
that or I could hire some.
People, Yeah.

833
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:18,940
Stuffed animals of these, of
these things, Sure, yeah, if I

834
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:20,620
was younger and had stuff.
Done.

835
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:24,740
If you were young.
Yeah, like this pirate looking

836
00:42:24,780 --> 00:42:26,700
guy with the beard.
It was like a dog.

837
00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:29,500
I mean, that's pretty
interesting for like a magnet.

838
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:31,580
A bookmark?
No, absolutely merch.

839
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,260
Are you thinking of merch?
Yeah, I love.

840
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,180
I love action.
And collectibles and toys.

841
00:42:36,180 --> 00:42:38,580
And a lot of this stuff is
inspired by the toys that I grew

842
00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:43,740
up with as a kid.
So I would love to make toys and

843
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:45,660
you know, action figures
collectibles out of this kind of

844
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:47,140
stuff.
I actually did make a small I

845
00:42:47,220 --> 00:42:49,660
teamed up with an artist and we
made a tiny battle skull

846
00:42:49,940 --> 00:42:52,980
figurine, which I sell.
It shows I do have, but we made

847
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:55,300
a little figurine or like carvel
cakes and.

848
00:42:57,300 --> 00:42:59,140
Burger Yeah, I like your product
ideas.

849
00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:03,190
That would be fun.
Super fun or you have a Marvel

850
00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:04,910
cake.
I drove by an ice cream store

851
00:43:04,910 --> 00:43:07,470
that was called Marvel that was.
It yeah.

852
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:10,790
So Marvel or Carvel.
Maybe put some cakes in the

853
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:13,830
shape of these things.
Yeah, that would be awesome.

854
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:16,870
Yeah.
I mean that that's being able to

855
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:19,990
take your creations into other
places is awesome.

856
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:21,830
Yeah.
Like, you know, jewelry, right?

857
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:23,990
Yeah.
Now as.

858
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,240
You mentioned earlier about the
technology changing.

859
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:32,560
We are right now in a time of
huge transitional technology

860
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,360
with the AI.
Yes.

861
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Do you think that that's going
to be the next step in the

862
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,320
evolution of self-publishing?
Is the use of AI, is that

863
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,560
something that you particularly
would do or do you think that

864
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,000
that's something that others
would do?

865
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,440
Because as we mentioned, doing
it ourselves was a was a

866
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,120
challenge.
Yeah.

867
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,600
So if you can find instead of
finding people, which is now

868
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,560
extremely easy to do, right all
the world, just, hey, I need

869
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,640
somebody, you don't even have to
just go poop and then you have

870
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,200
this ability.
What are your thoughts on that?

871
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,080
I don't know a lot about how AI
works, I haven't really been

872
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,800
might.
What I've gathered is that you

873
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,960
can literally like type things
in and get an incredible

874
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,360
painting or something which.
Pretty much.

875
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,040
I personally, I don't know if I
hate that.

876
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,360
I think that's horrible.
Personally, I think it's

877
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,560
terrible for artists and I would
be ashamed of myself.

878
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,520
If I came to a convention with a
I created artwork and sold it.

879
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,280
I would be like, it's just to me
horrendous.

880
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,680
But I'm extremely against that.
I'm extremely against that.

881
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,420
I think you could use it as a.
A primer.

882
00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,340
Like if you want to design A
character, maybe you can type in

883
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:40,020
some stuff.
Use a I to design A character if

884
00:44:40,020 --> 00:44:41,980
you're not an artist yourself,
or if you are an artist, maybe

885
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:44,820
create a reference using a I use
it as a tool.

886
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:47,100
I think that's that's cool I
guess.

887
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:49,260
But I don't know.
I'm just very like pencil to

888
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:51,940
paper.
That's what I personally do

889
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:53,500
myself.
That's what I respect.

890
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:55,700
That's what I love.
I don't want to see.

891
00:44:56,610 --> 00:44:57,770
I don't know.
AI freaks me out.

892
00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:59,250
It really does.
Like, it's crazy.

893
00:44:59,250 --> 00:45:01,370
It's like, I can't believe some
of the artwork I see and I love

894
00:45:01,370 --> 00:45:02,690
it.
I'm like, that's awesome.

895
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:05,050
I see like an AI piece on
Instagram or whatever.

896
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:07,930
I'm like, this is awesome.
And then you find out it's AI

897
00:45:07,930 --> 00:45:10,970
and it's like, Oh my God, like
that's like, that's creepy to

898
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:12,770
me.
Yeah, and freaky.

899
00:45:12,810 --> 00:45:16,290
I think the creep factor is in
there that it can be done so

900
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:18,010
easily.
It's insane and.

901
00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:21,850
The amount of effort that
somebody who would do that would

902
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:23,960
take.
And this is just, like I said, a

903
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,200
push of a button.
Yeah, it's very disturbing.

904
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:32,160
But the sad thing is, I believe
because the end product is what

905
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,000
the consumer.
Is all about.

906
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Right.
And if the consumer doesn't

907
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,960
care, right, they're gonna,
they're gonna get whatever, the

908
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,720
cheapest, right?
Exactly.

909
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,040
And then on the other side, if
you think about it, if it's so

910
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,880
easy and cheap to make.
And then everybody's going to do

911
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,160
it and therefore it will devalue
any other type of art, right?

912
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:58,280
So do you think that it would be
detrimental to the comic book

913
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,280
industry if AI becomes a thing?
And do you think it will become

914
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,360
a thing?
I think it would be detrimental,

915
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,840
definitely to artists and their
careers.

916
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,240
I think it's going to be a
challenge.

917
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:12,210
It's really.
I mean, I don't know if AI today

918
00:46:12,210 --> 00:46:14,650
I create a comic book page.
I guess they could they could do

919
00:46:14,690 --> 00:46:16,770
each panel and assemble.
I guess they probably could the.

920
00:46:16,770 --> 00:46:19,130
Only thing I.
That's crazy so far.

921
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:22,690
With the the problem quote UN
quote problem the guy is the

922
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:23,250
hand.
Right.

923
00:46:23,370 --> 00:46:25,850
The hands.
So if you have someone who can

924
00:46:25,850 --> 00:46:27,330
draw, really.
Which is a problem with real

925
00:46:27,330 --> 00:46:30,610
artists too, but.
You can get a guy who's drawing

926
00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:34,090
hands, he'll just fix the hand
and that's it with Google

927
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:37,370
Photoshop and just fix whatever
is the problem.

928
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:39,610
Yeah.
But once again, if if the.

929
00:46:40,570 --> 00:46:43,850
Consumer, right?
Becomes if everybody does

930
00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:45,050
something, then nobody does
something.

931
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:46,850
Is that the way it works?
So now everybody's in art.

932
00:46:46,850 --> 00:46:47,850
Nobody's in.
Art, right?

933
00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:49,210
Yeah.
I don't know.

934
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:53,050
It's yeah, I think it will have
a negative impact on a lot of

935
00:46:53,810 --> 00:46:55,810
aspects.
I hate to be a pessimist, but

936
00:46:56,610 --> 00:46:59,810
that I mean, I can't see how
it's not going to negatively

937
00:46:59,890 --> 00:47:03,690
impact the careers of artists
who've spent their life learning

938
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:07,250
how to draw and, you know, do
all the technical aspects of

939
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:08,990
drawing.
And then they can just be

940
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:10,510
replaced by.
I mean, it already wasn't.

941
00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:12,710
There was some Marvel show that
used AI to do the whole

942
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:15,590
introduction and like, so that
just eliminated a bunch of

943
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:18,350
storyboard artists, special
effects artists.

944
00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:21,190
Like they all just lost that
work and that and of course

945
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:22,230
that.
Like you said, it's all about

946
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:24,670
the bottom line for the studios
and for the publishers.

947
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:27,590
So they're going to, they're
going to use it.

948
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:30,470
I mean, why not?
Like, I'm a comic book geek, so

949
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:34,270
I care if you know the cover is
drawn by.

950
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:37,690
Frank Miller or whatever, you
know, like I care about that.

951
00:47:37,690 --> 00:47:40,250
But a lot of people, I mean, I
guess comic readers, a lot of

952
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:44,050
people do care if it's Frank
Miller, but a lot of consumers

953
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:46,330
will probably just say that's.
A move the majority.

954
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:49,210
The majority of the consumers
will just say that's an awesome

955
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:50,810
Batman cover.
I want to read that comic.

956
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:51,930
They don't care who drew the
cover.

957
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:54,850
So artists can be they can get
screwed.

958
00:47:55,530 --> 00:47:59,090
So as an independent artist, is
it focused more on the conflict

959
00:47:59,090 --> 00:48:01,610
fan or is it on the general
consumer?

960
00:48:04,820 --> 00:48:15,980
I don't know.
There are people who just want

961
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:17,820
the Super Bowl because it's the
thing to do.

962
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:10,100
I guess comic book readers,
there's kind of crossover,

963
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:11,780
right?
Because they're consumers, but

964
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:14,060
they're also, they're
particularly interested in.

965
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:20,420
And then there are people who
will go to the football games.

966
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:21,260
Yeah.
True.

967
00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:23,180
True.
Well, I guess, yeah, with comics

968
00:48:23,180 --> 00:48:25,700
it's very it is pretty niche,
right My.

969
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:29,900
My personal passion is I'm like
a comic book freak.

970
00:48:29,900 --> 00:48:32,780
I love comics and I love comic
art artists and stuff.

971
00:48:32,780 --> 00:48:36,540
So that's my audience too.
That's my my friends, my peers,

972
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:38,220
the people who appreciate this
stuff.

973
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:42,420
So that is my target audience
more than just like a massive

974
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:43,900
appeal.
I'm not trying to massively

975
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:46,100
appeal to anybody.
I guess you would say like I'm

976
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:48,540
not trying to be.
I don't know.

977
00:48:48,850 --> 00:48:51,290
The Super Bowl.
Well.

978
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:55,250
That's cool.
That's the that's the concept.

979
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:58,690
Yeah, I'd love for one of my
concepts to become big, you

980
00:48:58,690 --> 00:48:59,730
know?
Of course I would love my

981
00:48:59,730 --> 00:49:02,250
concept to reach a wider
audience.

982
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:05,010
Then it's fine.
Then a bunch of artists can work

983
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:07,250
on it other than me.
When you get to that point, you

984
00:49:07,250 --> 00:49:10,330
know, if you're making video
games or or animation with your

985
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:11,610
characters, then you got to let
it.

986
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:13,530
You got to let it grow, you got
to let it fly.

987
00:49:13,530 --> 00:49:15,570
But when I'm doing the comics,
that's me.

988
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,210
That's my personal, that's it.
Like I want to do that myself.

989
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,440
And have control over that.
Well, you could create

990
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,560
controversy, You know,
controversy frees cash.

991
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,280
So one says other than pay runs
with mess, which gets people

992
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,800
famous, you could start rumors
about yourself in the books and

993
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,680
that could help you gain
contractions.

994
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,640
Like, I'll tell you this my.
Boyfriend now claims to be best

995
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,000
friends with George Santos.
You can claim to be best friends

996
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,040
with maybe Joe Biden and create
a fake rivalry with Elon Mus.

997
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,520
And maybe perhaps that will
help.

998
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,880
And then we can.
Gorillas.

999
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,000
Gorilla market.
All right.

1000
00:49:53,160 --> 00:50:00,120
I like it, so get under
advisement.

1001
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,200
So since this is an.
Anthology and it's a beginning,

1002
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,040
middle, and end of the anthology
series.

1003
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,440
Is there a through line
throughout the entire book?

1004
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:16,560
Is there like a host or?
Now there's no like mascot,

1005
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,950
unfortunately.
But that's a good idea.

1006
00:50:20,070 --> 00:50:23,510
Shouldn't have that.
So, but it is a beginning,

1007
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:41,750
middle, end.
It's a total mix.

1008
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:28,950
It is something that you would
see that you don't get mixed up,

1009
00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:31,630
that it's a through loss like
you're beginning to.

1010
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:34,590
It's about anthology of what is
anthology a horror thing.

1011
00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:37,350
It's anthology of sci-fi, it's
anthology of whatever.

1012
00:50:37,350 --> 00:50:39,190
It's just a mix of stories.
Whatever.

1013
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:42,670
Yeah.
It's like I don't.

1014
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Limited to one genre or
anything.

1015
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,040
I'd bounce around.
Totally bounce around the

1016
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,560
different genres, yeah.
Is that something that you had

1017
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,720
planned ahead of time that you
just see whatever stories that

1018
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,240
have mine, I'm just going to
stick in?

1019
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:59,160
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
It was really just, you know,

1020
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,840
whatever I wanted to do.
Like over the years I was

1021
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,560
gathering the stories of the
characters.

1022
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,440
And so, you know, I wasn't like,
oh, I want to do only scifi or

1023
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,400
only like horror stories.
I just was like, you know, I

1024
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,480
mean I generally kind of tend
toward.

1025
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:17,190
Certain genres anyway, like,
honestly, like, I'm going to

1026
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:20,710
probably draw a lot of stuff
that involves monsters or you

1027
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:21,910
know, characters that are fun to
draw.

1028
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:26,070
So I end up tend to tend to have
similar stuff in my stories, but

1029
00:51:26,070 --> 00:51:29,190
I do bounce across different
genres depending on whatever I

1030
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:30,910
just go with, whatever I'm in
the mood for.

1031
00:51:31,230 --> 00:51:34,430
If I get inspired to do like a
Goonies inspired story with kids

1032
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:37,270
or whatever, like Adventure with
kids, you might do something

1033
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:38,190
like that.
Or if you want to do a.

1034
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:41,330
Spooky Halloween themed stories.
I don't go with that.

1035
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:45,570
So when you see the finished
product, the nasty gravity

1036
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:48,290
towards a certain story, like oh
this is now my favorite story,

1037
00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:51,250
now I've seen it.
Or do they all just all your

1038
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:52,810
babies and you can't pick a
favorite?

1039
00:51:53,370 --> 00:51:58,170
Now there are definitely some
that I feel stronger about, like

1040
00:51:58,170 --> 00:52:00,410
in this book.
There's the reanimated beast,

1041
00:52:00,410 --> 00:52:03,290
which is a kind of wild little
story in the middle of the book,

1042
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:04,810
and that's like my favorite of
the book.

1043
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:10,190
And it's because the yeah, it
was just the most fun to draw

1044
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:14,310
and I'm proud of the drawings
and that story and the colors

1045
00:52:14,310 --> 00:52:16,470
came out great on that story in
my opinion.

1046
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:19,790
I and I I just had a great time
finishing that particular story.

1047
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:22,750
So I was like this was the most
fun to draw and it was the I was

1048
00:52:22,750 --> 00:52:25,430
the happiest with it.
As far as the finish piece, I

1049
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:28,390
was definitely like that's my
personal favorite in the book.

1050
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:33,390
So I I can have favorites, and I
usually I might.

1051
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:37,180
To see like the approach I took
because of my style changes

1052
00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:38,460
sometimes depending on the
story.

1053
00:52:38,540 --> 00:52:42,980
So I'll see a certain style
stylistic approach that I took

1054
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:44,860
and say I really like that
style.

1055
00:52:44,860 --> 00:52:46,420
I like working in that
particular style.

1056
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:49,420
So I want to do that again or I
want to stick with that I want

1057
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:51,740
or you know, I'll keep that in
my head for the next story.

1058
00:52:51,740 --> 00:52:54,500
I want to say that style will
really work nice for that story.

1059
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:56,580
So I'll bring those two
together.

1060
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:58,340
So yeah, look at those aspects
of it.

1061
00:52:59,060 --> 00:53:02,580
And since there is no flu line
for the anthology.

1062
00:53:02,940 --> 00:53:04,420
How do you decide what story
goes with?

1063
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:09,380
I try.
I guess it's like tone, trying

1064
00:53:09,380 --> 00:53:12,740
to pay attention to the tone of
the book, see how the stories

1065
00:53:12,740 --> 00:53:17,820
butt up against one another.
And thematically, stylistically,

1066
00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:22,420
you know, you try to, I guess,
balance it out.

1067
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:26,420
If you have like a dark darker
tone story, maybe put a brighter

1068
00:53:26,420 --> 00:53:28,180
story afterwards or before or
whatever.

1069
00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:32,330
Things like that I consider.
And sometimes it honestly comes

1070
00:53:32,330 --> 00:53:35,650
down to laying out the book as
far as like if you have a double

1071
00:53:35,650 --> 00:53:39,530
page spread in one story,
sometimes you have to put that

1072
00:53:39,530 --> 00:53:43,210
story at a certain point in the
book because the double page

1073
00:53:43,210 --> 00:53:45,650
spread has to line up for the
printing purposes.

1074
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:48,410
So sometimes it's practical
issues like that that affect the

1075
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:50,530
way you order your pages and
line up your stories.

1076
00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:53,570
But but I do try to like, I
guess it's all about like how

1077
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:55,690
how does it feel?
I guess like writing a song or

1078
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:58,610
you have to.
Put the different parts together

1079
00:53:58,610 --> 00:54:02,770
and see how they work together.
So it's it's it's an artistic

1080
00:54:02,770 --> 00:54:03,610
choice I guess.
Just.

1081
00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:08,010
So is it a weird thing that if
you would read the stories out

1082
00:54:08,010 --> 00:54:10,090
of order is completely different
experience?

1083
00:54:12,330 --> 00:54:14,290
Yeah, I guess it would be.
It would be like a totally

1084
00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:17,210
different experience if you.
Well, I mean they're they're

1085
00:54:17,210 --> 00:54:19,450
short stories, so they're
they're kind of their own thing.

1086
00:54:19,450 --> 00:54:22,410
But so you could read, you could
pick up the book and just read

1087
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:24,610
one of them and you don't, you
don't read the rest of the book,

1088
00:54:24,610 --> 00:54:25,050
right.
But.

1089
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,360
Yeah, I guess if you.
Put orderically and you like a

1090
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,040
song if you put.
It on the order it will.

1091
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,400
Give you a different?
Yeah, it would.

1092
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,640
It would give you.
So you have that.

1093
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,640
And it's going to change your
mood, you know, Right.

1094
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,200
Because you're going to be in
one mood from one story and then

1095
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,520
you're bouncing into a different
zone for the next story.

1096
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,520
So yeah, it could definitely
could impact.

1097
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,680
The the way you feel is that
something that you put your spot

1098
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,480
into that you're making this one
way.

1099
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:55,790
And the consumer who might take
it a completely different way,

1100
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:58,470
is that something that you've
gotten feedback on that has

1101
00:54:58,470 --> 00:55:00,670
happened or have you anticipated
that happened?

1102
00:55:00,670 --> 00:55:02,310
Yeah, I didn't really anticipate
that.

1103
00:55:02,310 --> 00:55:04,150
I didn't consciously think about
that.

1104
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:06,310
I guess like how people are
going to experience each story

1105
00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:08,870
and everything, but like, but
I've had people who have read

1106
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:12,150
the book come and tell me which
parts of it they particularly

1107
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:16,430
really liked and everything.
So that was probably my closest,

1108
00:55:16,590 --> 00:55:18,670
closest experience to that.
And that's great to hear.

1109
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:20,660
I love to hear.
You know, what people actually

1110
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:22,460
really liked and or or didn't
like?

1111
00:55:22,620 --> 00:55:24,380
It could be critical as well, Of
course.

1112
00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:28,060
That's all good constructive
stuff that I need to hear.

1113
00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:30,420
As a creator, you want to hear
what people are feeling about

1114
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:32,460
the stuff.
But I did not anticipate like,

1115
00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:33,980
you know, Yeah.
How people would feel bouncing

1116
00:55:33,980 --> 00:55:36,500
from story to story, really.
I mean, I tried to make it

1117
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:39,140
appealing to me, I guess when I
put it together.

1118
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:42,300
And I tried to make it like, you
know, this is how I would want

1119
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:44,380
to read the book.
And this is, you know, that's

1120
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:48,100
all I could really go on, was my
own personal taste.

1121
00:55:48,810 --> 00:55:50,250
When I was putting the book
together.

1122
00:55:50,250 --> 00:55:54,330
So that's what I went with and
hopefully, hopefully people

1123
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:57,410
don't find it too charming or
hopefully, hopefully they enjoy

1124
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it.
All right, so we're at social

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media times, which we will find
out more about your stuff.

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00:56:02,770 --> 00:56:04,690
Buy your book.
Hire you for work.

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00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:05,650
Yeah.
Can they find a lesson?

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00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:10,130
All right, I'm at.
I'm on Instagram at Tom Travers

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00:56:10,130 --> 00:56:14,290
art.
I also have a Facebook page for

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00:56:14,530 --> 00:56:17,890
Battle Skull which is
facebook.com back slash battle

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00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:20,250
skull.
Those are really my 2 main

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00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:21,810
sites.
Right now I'm working on an

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00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:24,530
actual website which I need to
get together.

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00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:28,250
Don't have that yet though.
Want to have a regular website

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00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:29,610
with the store and all that
stuff?

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00:56:29,730 --> 00:56:32,730
Eventually it's in the works,
but yeah, right now it's really

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00:56:32,730 --> 00:56:37,690
just Instagram and Facebook and
I'm on Twitter at Horntown

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00:56:37,690 --> 00:56:40,570
Studios.
Horntown Studios.

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00:56:41,570 --> 00:56:45,380
Alright, so we're almost out of
time, so I'm glad to see. 4

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minutes left.
So do you have any final

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00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:48,180
thoughts for our listeners out
there?

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00:56:48,220 --> 00:56:49,660
People who want to make them on
anthology.

1143
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:52,740
People who are sitting right now
debating on whether they can do

1144
00:56:52,740 --> 00:56:54,740
it, whether they want to do it,
what final thoughts they.

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00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:57,140
Have just do it.
Go for it.

1146
00:56:57,140 --> 00:56:58,820
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, totally.

1147
00:56:58,820 --> 00:57:02,260
Like, comics are just the most
amazing medium that really, you

1148
00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:04,020
know, you don't have to be a
great artist if you're a writer.

1149
00:57:04,020 --> 00:57:05,620
You have an idea.
You don't have to be an artist.

1150
00:57:05,620 --> 00:57:07,340
You don't have to be a writer if
you're an artist.

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00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:10,140
Or maybe you're both.
Whatever you are, you can if you

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00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:12,540
have an idea.
Comics is, to me, one of the

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00:57:12,620 --> 00:57:16,180
greatest ways to get that idea.
Down on paper.

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00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:18,620
Get it published.
Get it printed, you know, and

1155
00:57:18,620 --> 00:57:20,020
you shouldn't be afraid to just
try it.

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00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:22,140
You can't learn anything unless
you do it.

1157
00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:26,340
So even if you fall and you
stumble and it's tough and you

1158
00:57:26,460 --> 00:57:28,980
run into crazy obstacles and
everything, it's worth doing

1159
00:57:28,980 --> 00:57:30,780
because you'll just, you'll just
keep getting better, You got to

1160
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:33,720
do it.
So absolutely just dive in and

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00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,640
start making comics, yeah.
So my final thought is this.

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00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:38,760
Tom, thank you for being guest
on the show.

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00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,560
I've known you for many years
and it's always cool that not

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,440
only did you manage to get your
anthology done, which we've

1165
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,240
talked about for many years, but
your artwork style has

1166
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,480
continuously improved.
From.

1167
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,240
When I first met you to.
Now you're always working on new

1168
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,280
things.
You always have such an amazing

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00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,640
library of work.
Thank you and I want to.

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00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Echo that about not giving up
because as I've mentioned

1171
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,280
myself, I'm hustling my own book
for 30 years when I got it done.

1172
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,720
I know how it is to finally get
it out there.

1173
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,880
Even if it didn't take you 30
years, even if it took five

1174
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,520
years, it's an amazing feeling
to get finally out there.

1175
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,290
And I know once you get it done.
It's easy to do the next one.

1176
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:26,570
Yes.
Because now you know what to do.

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00:58:26,570 --> 00:58:30,290
What not to do is that it's
slightly, it's not super easy,

1178
00:58:30,330 --> 00:58:31,450
right?
But it's slightly.

1179
00:58:31,450 --> 00:58:32,650
Easier, Yeah?
You learn a little something

1180
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:34,690
every time.
Yeah, every time you get

1181
00:58:34,690 --> 00:58:37,250
something finished.
So you actually nice enough to

1182
00:58:37,450 --> 00:58:41,690
have a little raffle for a piece
of our?

1183
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:46,650
Yeah, we've got.
I've got a Godzilla and our

1184
00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:49,090
piece with an original sketch on
the bottom.

1185
00:58:51,330 --> 00:58:52,210
My time.
So take it out.

1186
00:58:54,370 --> 00:58:55,890
Take it out.
No looking.

1187
00:58:58,290 --> 00:59:09,730
We got. 544582 544582 I I I
believe one of the studio

1188
00:59:09,730 --> 00:59:11,250
audience members had.
Still.

1189
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:15,530
Actually coming out very shortly
to get it, but so I have five or

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00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:19,010
two.
Yeah, there you go.

1191
00:59:20,850 --> 00:59:22,930
Take the print as.
Well yeah, so you win.

1192
00:59:22,970 --> 00:59:25,730
So as soon as the recording is
over, we'll we'll give you your

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00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:27,570
reply.
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