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0:40 This is your host Mark Torres speaking with me back live in the WGBB Studios. For first time a long time, we have none other than Alcena correspondent Charlie Saladino. Hello fun seekers. It's good to be back at WGBB where good broadcasting begins. And we have our. Newest cohost in live in the studio. She's been with us for quite some time online, but now we're back in the studio. We have none of them. Elle Man. Jane Feldy I. Feel good. So on this week's show, as soon as I pull it up, I know I have it here somewhere. Hold on, my computer is not acting up. We have a interview with the other the interview you did with the the name of the person you had the interview with, the last interview you did. I know we have this.

1:28 The unfixed? Yes. The Oh, right. The Yes. What's their first? Gay conversion therapy, The producers of basically an expose documentary on gay conversion therapy. Very interesting. Yeah, so that's what we're doing on this week's show. But before, before we do any of that, we have a son on the phone. We have the son goblin on the phone. Say hi, Hassan Goblin. Hello, Hassan Godwin. There we. Goblin. Hassan. Goblin. Welcome to our show, Back live once again. It's just as hectic as it was when I left it. I hope you guys are comfortable. Yes, we are very, very comfortable. So as I mentioned, that's the show we're going to have a conversation with where is it? This is, This is why I love this live stuff. Jennifer, Elle man, Jenny, Phil, the interviews, film makers Graham Streacher and Alex La Bosque. Yeah, I did, Yes.

2:23 There we go. I did. I enjoyed it. They were fine young gentlemen and we talked about converting men to not be not gay. OK. But before we do any of that, we have to take it away with the news. OK. Sure, we could do that. That's a lot of not. That is not the news. It's like the news is brought to you. Fine, fine. It's beautiful. The news is brought to you in part of the Big Apple Con, which we already official radio show of celebrity over 2678 years of compliments and pop culture stuff.

3:07 More information go to www.bigapplecc.com. The next convention is scheduled for December the 16th. It is the Big Apple Christmas Con. We also want to give our shouts for our Patreons, of which there are Danny Grillo, awardwinning director, Jared Burrell, Kyle Horn, Millie Portez News, A Famous Risen Media Horns, You going Shadow Rabbit, Art Yaz and Hooray Rosa, and the Hurricane. If you don't want to shout, go to a website www.camfrea.com and you can just for a dollar a month to get a shuttle on our show. As we do, we want to start with the sad news. We have two business sad news this week, awardwinning actor. Comedian, director, producer, author, screenwriter and singer Alan Wolfe Arkin known Professor Injustice Alan Arkin died recently of cardiovascular disease. Alan was in a slew of films and TV shows, of which there are too many to name here.

4:00 With most recently being on the Netflix series of The Kaminsky Method. Great show. So you're familiar with Alan's work? Well, I love the show, Yeah, the shows. The shows was great. I loved it, Yeah. Charlie seeing goes on it. Oh. My God, Alan Hawkin is is one of the classics. He's one of the most seasoned actors that this business ever had. He he was funny. He was serious. He had it all. He's a full package. Yeah, he he had it multi talented. Sad to see him go. And now they have him up in heaven, and maybe he can help us in a different way. OK, maybe. I don't know if you believe in that. Maybe. I can't follow that.

4:43 I. Can't follow the afterlife If you can. After the afterlife, there's the after afterlife. After the party, there's the after party enough. After the after party, there's an after, after party. Can you follow that to us on? No, I cannot and I won't try. All right. So he was 89 years old. So moving on to the last bit of sad news, New York meteorologist Doctor Frank Field also died recently. As of this recording, which is the July the 9th of 2023, no cause of death has been announced. Growing up, I remember Frank as the weatherman who took over from Mr. G on CBS and stayed for 11 years before moving on to WWR and Channel 9. You know, Queens in New York of note.

5:25 John Kaplan Field and his wife of 75 years had died earlier this year and two of his three children, Storm and Allison, also followed in his footsteps, become meteorologist as well. Now, I was a big CBS fan when I was a kid growing up, so I used to watch CBS and had all the the newscasters. There was Warner Wolf, who was in Rocky 3. For those of you who are fans of Rocky Three, he was an announcer and then they had the news guy, which was the weatherman, which was Mr. G and then this boring old guy came in, which was Frank Field. And I always had. I always had something against him for being coming in after that. Do you remember? I remember Frank Field. I worked with his son Storm. Oh, see that? Channel 7 Storm was the weatherman at Channel 7. I worked with him.

6:07 He was great guy. All right, great guy, Frank. I remember Storm Field and then a storm Field from just watching television, just watching the news. I always thought it was ironic that his name was Storm. I I think he did it on purpose. I would host. Of course. Well, I think he he named one of his. How how many kids did you have? Three kids. I think he named one of the daughters Sonny or something like that. Or something to do with weather. He was a little bit obsessed, I guess he was appropriately obsessed with it. So he was 100 years old, so he made it all the way up to A. 100 he got the letter. He got the letter. So. So the last bit of a few of.

6:47 Them get the letter. So that was the for the sad news, but we have a sad news followup department and then we're going to take our break. In the sad news followup. Department. In a previous episode of our show, we mentioned that actor Adam Rich, most famously known for his role of Nicholas Bradford on the series 8 Is Enough, had passed away at the time, recording no causes that have been announced. Turns out that his death has been ruled an accident due to the effects of Fentanyl. According to Los Angeles County Medical Examiner Coronal Support God, now you were a fan of eight. Not enough. No, but I'm not a fan of the way he died. Yeah, you know, it's always sad when they say that the child actors, you know, they have a hard time growing up and he was a child actor. I mean, listen, for anyone listening, I'm not advocating drug use, but with all of the edibles on the market.

7:35 There's just no other reason to do any other drug because doing edibles can sometimes free be from what I see in the movie, almost like heroin and and ask me how I know so you know to be messing around with other drugs that could contain fentanyl. I mean, it's just just kids just don't do it. Don't do it. Just. Don't well. Yes. It was an accident. Did he come in contact with fentanyl? Was he taking? It that's all I have no followup questions. Where have you been? Follow questions. Yeah, you've been in the past 20 years, I. Strayed I just wanted to get the info so. You mean he was just walking along and it was some fentanyl goes whoops is that way. That's clearing firm and.

8:18 You you come in contact with that, you can die. Right. And it's generally in pills and cocaine, it's, you know, they might, I think they'll probably find the minettables and wines eventually, but yeah. So that's it for the hands. So we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with the came from the radio. Hi, you've heard my voice. Open and close the show. Now we want to hear your voice. If you have a business or product, you can record a commercial here. We offer 30 and 60 seconds spots. For more information, contact mark at mfc_studios@hotmail.com. Hello, this is Kerry Oskins.

9:00 I play Sonia Blade in Mortal Kombat. You are listening to It Came. From the radio, my neural net processor is linked to scifi dot radio scifi for my Wi-Fi. The more I listen, the more I learn. Now back to our show. And welcome back to a King from Rail, the officially big avocados. Mark Torres speaking. What up with me? In this studio at the GB Studios, we have another senior correspondent, Charles. How they know. Hello, hell man, Jenny Feldi. Good day, good evening. And the man on the side, Hassan got went on the phone. Hey, still here. Everything's fine. Everything's great. All right. So let's see. So we're going to have a regular regular news. So let's see what we got.

9:43 Brian from the Are you ready from the that's a lot of. The white man recent auction a Louis Vuitton inspired neon green miniature purse was sold for $63,750. What makes this interesting or ridiculous depending on your point of view, is that the handbag is small is quote smaller than a grain of sea salt. And narrow enough to pass through the eye of a needle measuring at 657 by 222 by 700 micro meters, which is less than .03 inches across. The bag was created via 3D printer technology and of note the actual bag of which it was inspired from runs about 31 to $43,000 according to their website on the lastly the buyer of the mini purse.

10:47 Also received a micro microscope and it built in digital display for viewing at no extra cost. Oh my God, I have such a bridge to sell that. Oh. My God. So. I gotta meet whoever bought this. So if you look online, you can see the picture. It's smaller than it's, you know, it's like it's really tiny on your finger. Last, it's a purse that you can't put anything in. I was gonna say that. 63,000. Dollars. You can't put any. What the hell are people nuts? I mean, you can't even put. It the guy promised me I would get my money's worth, though, I said The guy promised me I would get my money's worth. So I think it was a good investment. Personally, it's. Oh my God.

11:28 I mean, I sell designer handbags. After this show. I'm probably going to sell a few 100 or a few $1000 worth of possibly Lou Vuitton bags. But I mean, you can't even put a grain of rice in it. Yes it so you're gonna, you're gonna you're gonna start selling the the Louis Vuitton inspired, the Louvuitton. They're not even real Louvuitton bags, the Louvuitton inspired bags, micro bags. How could anybody inspire that? I've. Gotta be tripping and not sharing your drugs with people. Well, to inspire. Them for $3000. Maybe they believe in fairies. Yeah, because someone was telling me about fairies the other day. And maybe the fairies could live in the bag. Maybe it's.

12:08 Could you imagine That's like, hey Jen, do you wanna buy this? This flea I have, do you want to buy the flea? He's he's a star in his flea world. Here he's, I mean. If it was a little Vuitton flea, maybe we're talking. But it's not not even a Louis Vuitton. It's Louis Vuitton inspired. Well, I I you know, I can still parade it around and over. Idiots will think it's Lou Vuitton. So all the matters. And I would show it around and. Then then, like if you went to an opening of Red carpet and there's Jen and look at that beautiful Louis Vuitton band that's either a female. Here she comes.

12:49 Down here we have a little twirl, yeah. Wow. It's a moving on. Moving on from the one strike and you're out follow out department. As of this recording, we are on day 67 of the writers strike. Also, there's a potential strike looming for the Screen Actors Guild. On top of all that, San Diego Comic Con, the biggest pop culture convention, is happening later this month. To put them all together, you have this none other than Disney, which also consists of Lucasfilms and Marvel Studios, as well as Sony, Universal, HBL and Netflix have announced that they will not be presenting at the event with, as of this recording, Warner Brothers. Amazon, Apple and NBC holding off until the very last minute to this make the decision on attendees, Sanyo Comic Con says. With regard to the strike and its possible effects on Comic Con, we tend to refrain from speculating or forecasting. I will say I hope it's for a speedy resolution that will provide beneficial to all parties and will allow everyone to continue work they love.

13:54 Until then, we continue diligent work on a summer event in hopes of making it as fun, educational, and celebratory as in past years. On things are so last minute that on the San Diego website right now, which tickets have been sold out since November of last year, not only have they no panels listed, but the guest list is extremely limited. Of note, the deadline for refunds was this past March. So Can you imagine you bought this here in November for the biggest convention entire United States, and there's no guests, no big time celebrities. That's crazy, right, Hassan? That's. Do we lose on?

14:35 No. So what are your thoughts? I can't follow that screen. Look, you gotta have solidarity with the talent. So it's, you know, it's the industry's making. It's not the actors or the writers that are doing it. So if. If these outlets are showing solidarity for the for the actual talent behind the talent, then you know you can't fault them. But yeah, it's a it's a mess for anybody who spent over a couple $100 for tickets though. But you know, take it up with the take it up with the people upstairs. Yeah, take it up with the writers go. I mean, it seems like the people participating in this writers strike are really trying to teach a lesson, and the only way to really teach a lesson to someone is to. Abstain from giving yourself to that person, whether that's an individual relationship, business relationship, or you know, the writers being one entity against another entity. Make it hurt financially in some way, shape or form. So yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a, I'm not a customer, so I don't know if it's, I don't know if I can actually say it's a good thing or a bad thing.

15:50 But it's something I totally understand. Sorry, Charlie, Good. No, no, I'm just saying what a what a big advantage. Thing for the writers because I I'm sitting there thinking if I had a ticket to the San Diego Comic Con right now, I would be following the strike like intensely and hoping it ended otherwise. Banging my head into the wall saying why why why doing the Nancy Kerrigan? Thing. Well, This is why I don't. Like to buy things ahead of time. As I just told my dad, he insisted we have to buy tickets for this band. It's the best band, so I got the tickets.

16:31 I didn't want to buy the tickets because when every time I book something I had something comes up. Guess what? People got really sick. We couldn't even go. So that's a waste of like $300.00. I if you can't buy tickets the same day, I don't want to go. No, now they got. The tickets. At last minute. Wow. So well, but still they got it ahead. I'm talking like the same day. Get those tickets the same day cuz you don't know what can happen. This world is very unpredictable. Well, sadly, everything is about pre sales now. So you know you have to sell the thing before you sell it and people that way, you know, you guaranteed that amount of money. And because everybody wants to be the first and get ahead of everybody else, people keep on buying it earlier and earlier and early. And that's why you have a convention that is in July selling out in November of the previous year.

17:12 It's insane. If you think about it is and also. I think that this might present an opportunity for the independent creators and comic guys, because a lot of things that we have always talked about is how the convention starts off with just comics and then it grows a little bigger. Get a couple artists and it goes celebrities, and then get more celebrities and it gets bigger and bigger and then the celebrities take over and then you lose the foundation of what the comics are about. So if there are no celebrities there, this might be actually good for the other people that are there, not necessarily for the people going because they paid a lot of money for all this stuff, which they're not going to get. But people did pay for tables. People did pay for space. So what do you guys think about that? This is the year next year too. Maybe the year after that for the independent artist Quote me. I stand by that.

17:56 I saw what do you got. Yeah, I don't disagree. I think, I think, I think a lot of these, these giant amalgamated companies or whatever kind of go out of style. I mean now you see with the box office situation, everyone's kind of cursing at the. Studios for spending too much money to make these movies, which is like the, you know, it's like almost the, it's it's almost like upside down world, right? Because you know back in the day it used to be about all about the big budget. You got to spend a lot of money in order to to get the, you know to get the butts in the seats and get people to be there. And now these companies, these studios are spending 3 or 4. $100 million per movie.

18:40 And the fans are like, why are you spending that much? You know, we're not going to go running to the to the to the theater to see every release that you put out. You know, in the midst of our summer, we're not all going to cram ourselves into the the studio, the, the theater to do it. So you're wasting your money the fans never heard. That care about how much money you spent. I'm seeing that all over the. Place. It's a, yeah, it's a new trend that that the fans are upset that they're spending because now whenever you have a big budget movie comes out, they're disappointed that it only made, you know, 70 million dollars, $80 million, a $100 million because the studios not only spent two, three, $400 million on the movie, there's another.

19:22 What is it? Triple times the budget is the advertising campaign. So they're spending all that money and they're like we're expecting, yeah. Everyone's like this wouldn't have been a flop if you didn't spend this much money on it, you know? And then every time a movie, every time a kind of a big tent pole movie bomb, you have to, you have to suffer through, you know, 60-70 hours of of, you know, internal Internet flu speculation as to whether or not this spells the end of the, you know, the the cinematic industry. And people are just tired of going through it. And it's like, you know, we just didn't feel like we'll see the movie in like 15 days on on streaming.

20:04 Or whatever, yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm just not going to go spend money to sit down in the dark room with a whole bunch of strangers when I can see it. On my own, sitting on my sofa, whenever I feel like it, with the whole what's probably happening? True, right? Watching movies with a whole bunch of St. strangers? No good. But watching a Peep Show with a whole bunch of strangers? Very good. Totally different experience. You don't want to watch a Peep Show alone. It's always good to have a man fully say next to you. Yeah. At the risk of being prudish, I'm not gonna comment on that because. That we give too much away about myself, so I I I'll just say I agree with you.

20:48 Tell you what you got. I would. I would be curious to find out what the cosplay is. Think about this if it's an advantage to them or a disadvantage, because now that you have no talent, the special interest would be. Cosplayers I. I. That's that's true too. I guess the cosplay, it would benefit the cosplayers, I believe, because there's less attention taken away from them, right? Less celebrities, less and and the character still exists, so they can cosplay harder or getting more notoriety. But do you think that will take away from the independent creators? If the cosplayers are getting, it's a balance. Everybody has to get a certain amount of attention. There's no celebrities, no big businesses.

21:30 I. Think the cosplays will take over as opposed to the independent creators getting their due? Well, I I think it would be a wonderful balance of the comic, the indie comics or the and the cosplayers because, you know, it would give the photographer something to do, you know? What about you then? You said Nah. Well, I think, I think this is the time for independent creators, including cosplayers, anyone basically without a union that's outside of Hollywood. It really is the time to thrive and shine. This is not counting small businesses and pizzerias in New York. I'm talking like actors. Well. Yeah, so on. In San Diego, it is. Because I match on that.

22:11 That whole town, as you know, Mark, that they hope they depend on that, yeah. Because everybody goes dressed to the the venues outside the the eateries and they were all walking around the place. So it does influence the little stores and pizzerias. So if you're an independent creator making a book such as myself, buy my book if I went to San Diego. Is it now my chance to get picked up by the major companies because they're in troll because the writers flag in the actors flag this the time Or you're saying as an independent creator because of the sales from there from the? Coming from like every angle, not that I wasn't thinking that you could get hired by the big company. I was thinking that if you know how to produce and you have the ability is you can make almost anything happen because you know your competition.

23:04 Is shutting down right now so you can shine, You know, it's kind of like if Madonna sits in the chair at her own concert, you can get on stage. And hey, if people like you more than her, well, now you have the eyes on you, you know? So Hassan, as an independent creator yourself, but is this the time for jumping? Is that what you're going to? Do I think now is always your time? You know you can't wait for like a special time to come up and for something to happen. But right as things go, I think with. With the the way the industry is changing and also with the growing a I situation, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depending on your perspective. I say the person who's going to have the leg up in the future is going to be the IP owner.

23:44 Someone who's created a, you know, has a property or an IP of their own and that they, you know, they're 100% fully in charge of it and they can sell it or commercialize it at their will. Because I don't think you know working for these giant companies is is going to be too lucrative. Going forward that's that's my super edgy prediction. So I don't have any proof of that, but that's kind of the way I see things changing. Already comedians, A lot of comedians don't want to take cable shows. I keep. I'm talking about comedians that actually get paid to go on the road and do well and their shows. It's not really advantageous to have your own show, let's say on Fox cuz you can make more money on the road.

24:25 It's it's really a crazy time, but I think I I keep on saying this on our show that I think this strike is going to be the one to end all strikes and it's going to go on for way long. We're ready three months in. Yeah, two months 2. Months and change. So it's it's it's wild how I think so now we're just waiting on the the drop from the the Actors Guild. That's what we're waiting on because it was supposed to be on the 30th, but because of the holiday, they decided to extend the deadline. It's kind of got this strange dynamic characteristic to it in the 1st place, because typically it's David and Goliath, right? And the and the the writers who you would typically be with in this particular battle are fighting against technology, the the, the burgeoning technology and usually fighting technology is a losing battle, but the proletariat really does have to.

25:20 Get what they deserve or else the entire industry is going to crumble. So it's going to be watching them do it out. It's going to be probably going to have lasting residuals for three years to come. You know, I was thinking about this last night real quick. I was watching, I think Julia Roberts daughter in a movie. And I was saying, you know, people are all obsessed, you know, 2010 years ago, Julia Roberts, we have these stars and it's like there's, you know, 50 stars total and everyone else isn't a star. This is the year where everyone, their mother, can become a star overnight and we don't need. We don't have, we're not going to have these old time celebrities. So say goodbye to the way it used to be in the 90s. It's it's done. All right, less than a minute to go. We're going to do a 30 second final thought. So sooner for the final saldino final thought. Well, it's great to be back here at WGBB. It's great to see Brian again and everybody be nice to everybody. Jen Final thought.

26:04 Floss your teeth every day. Hasan, final thought. It's great to call in and not see anybody and not know what's going on or what the place looks like and not see Brian again, but it's. Great not to see you Hassan all. Right. So, so for everybody listening on the air, we'll see you next week. But for those of you listening and go online on our regular show at WBGB at it came from radio.com. We'll be right back for more. It came from the radio. Hi, you've heard my voice. Open and close the show. Now we want to hear your voice. If you have a business or product, you can record a commercial here. We offer 30 and 62nd spots. For more information, contact Mark at mfc_studios@hotmail.com. My neural net processor is linked to scifi dot Radio Scifi for my Wi-Fi.

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29:57 You know, this is Jennifer Elise Feldman, AKAL man, and I'm with. Well, I saw the trailer for this movie and I'm very intrigued, so I am with. Alex Labos. I hear with. I'm Alex Labos, producer of Unfixed. And I'm Graham's director of and we are a producing team and we've been doing a lot of films over the years and we've been working hard since. Pre COVID to do a film that then took a lot of adjustments and a lot of left turns and right turns and flips and curvies to finally get done. We shot during a pandemic and here we are in 2023 just about to do our world premiere at Dances with Films this Friday, June 30th at the Man's Chinese Theater in Hollywood with Dances with Films.

30:49 So now I only saw the trailer, and this obviously focuses on gay conversion therapy. Very intriguing. Could you just give the listeners a little synopsis of what this movie's about? Well, a lot of our films, our company's called Imperative Pictures. So a lot of our films touch on the issues that are very relatable and topical. And this movie deals with conversion therapy and the aftermath of the effects of a person who has been put through conversion therapy as a child and how it has messed up his mind.

31:32 And in order to move forward with the love of his life who is a woman, he needs to sort out his sexuality. And let me let me just back up just for a second and say a lot of the audience might know, not know what conversion therapy even is. It's it's an Angel practice of convincing, coercing, conditioning a a person to in typical forms to go from if they have an inkling or a desire to be homosexual, they will fix them and change them back to normal healthy human beings to be sexual in their their opinion and. It's done from everything back in history to from like torture, Electro shock therapy, castration, chemical castration. And then of course you have the religious sex where they're doing like God doesn't want you to the you are broken. You are sinful.

32:31 You are imperfect human being you are. You are unworthy of existing. That and then through conversion therapy, whatever tactic it is. You're you're basically telling someone they are not good who they are and they have to fix themselves and I think we can all kind of agree hopefully that we are who we are and we can't change that to love and be that person in fact embrace it. So the only way you get passed or through therapy that satisfy those who are trying to implement this change in you your core human self is to admit or to concede and say I'm I'm changed I. I am new. I have fixed myself, or you have fixed me. Thank you.

33:14 But then you live your whole life in denial or if I was a fraud, because deep in your heart, you know you're still that other person. No, nothing can change you. So in the case of the story, this boy is being told he's homosexual at the age of 11. Because of his experiment with another boy. At 11:00 and then. Go. And then he has to concede and say, yeah, OK, you're fixing me. And his father's the one who fixes him because he runs a conversion therapy camp, which is very popular. In the 80s and 90s they were doing conversion camps and anything from like Bible school studies to man camp to psychiatrist and psychologist doing really torturous kinds of, you know, conditioning.

34:04 He now says he's straight and goes on through life, but he loves this woman. And he feels like a fraud. And he knows his heart. He doesn't know in his heart yet because he has to figure out on his own terms really who he is as a human being. Right. OK. So two questions from all that. So after your research, what percentage of people that are subjected to conversion therapy, do you think it's involuntary or force that number one? And #2, what percentage of people that graduate from conversion therapy and say I'm fixed, I'm not gay anymore. I love women, I love men, whatever it is. How many do you think are faking the fixing? Any idea on that?

34:48 I mean, we can never know, but yeah. Yeah, I think starting with your second question, the answer is 100% fake it, I think. And there are so many cases. There's a organization called Conversion Therapy Dropout Network that is a partner with us for the film. Because I did a lot of research when we were building the story up to understand people who have survived conversion therapy and they will argue and I think everyone kind of you know, you can't change the person. So if you are. If you become heterosexually practiced after conversion therapy, you you may be had categorically heterosexual in practice, but you may not be happy or nor you may not feel you are authentic. So there's a difference about what you actually practice at the end of everything but who you truly are and what you're hiding from everybody and keeping dormant and thus an incomplete person who's living a life as a fraud. Right, right. 100% and then the other. 100% wow. I'm guessing it's 100% you cannot change a person. It's not that sexuality or your identity is something you can't. It's not to be questioned, you know. It's proven that conversion therapy doesn't work you know so and and our our story is about.

36:22 Inflicting conversion therapy onto minors. Once you're an adult, you can do whatever you want. But when a minor does not have a choice and they're put through this, they could feel ashamed. They feel. Unworthy. They can go through depression and they can also be suicidal and that's a lot of what happens. You know, those are the the four outcomes that could happen or they could marry and have children and have a horrible relationship and. By the time they're 70, they decide to come out and their life is already kind of passed them by, so. And the number of the statistics on suicide for kids who have gone through conversion therapy and either or either way is staggering. Like 80 something percent that they considered at one point another suicide.

37:13 So that leads to my next question. So many subjected to gay conversion therapy, they remain gay, but they become traumatized and even suicidal. So how can these people find peace? How can we help them? How can they help themselves? One of the organizations that are also supporting us on this is the Trevor Project and they are a hotline for troubled. Conversion therapy survivors. Of all people. For everyone. But they also have have a huge support group in that for that category of people who are are suffering through sexual identity shame and you can call them and you know their guidance to help talk people down the ledge of suicide suicidal tendencies.

38:08 Depression. So. And I think it goes for a lot of, you know, for every LGBTQ person or person who's just franchised or feels, you know, they are less than what they should be, they're they're they're looked upon or told they are not worthy of who they truly are. It's the Trevor Project is great and just outreaching youth in general, but they really do focus on the LGBTQ community because we're so targeted right now as a community and told. Through legislation over and over again that we don't have the rights for things and we're and we're not. We shouldn't get married or we shouldn't. Kids who feel like they should identify one way or told, you know, stop it, be normal dress like a boy or a boy or whatever at a young age when it doesn't even they don't even understand sexuality yet.

38:59 They're just trying to be something and they're being told that. They're wrong. Who they are is wrong. Yeah, right, right, right. Okay. So this, this one is going to totally switch gears and provoke some ideas. Okay. So some people think that homosexuality and then the desire to change genders, which is not the same but it's often talked about in the same vein, is the result of hormonal imbalances. So there are pharmaceuticals in the water, we know that and soil and that's shown and it's been shown to influence many behaviors. So one boyfriend of mine actually thought he made a compelling argument that a friend of mine had decreased masculinity and a more docile and feminine persona because of a very unhealthy diet, extreme lack of exercise, which can lower testosterone and it can increase estrogen. So what do you think of these opinions? Yeah, I think you're right.

39:58 People don't realize that there is sexual identity and then sexual preference. So if someone identifies as a certain gender, it doesn't mean that their preference can be different. So, you know, I can be a man and prefer a woman, but if I wanted to be a transgender and still prefer a woman, it's still possible. So it's it's. You know, so that's that's one thing that people don't realize. And it's even as simple as this, Gen. Let's say I'm Irish. I may want to wear a kilt. I love kilts. I'm an Irish descent. Kilt does a.

40:39 Dress. That would be crossdressing. That would be a gay, a stereotypically, oh, that's a gay thing. That's a gender. Is that gender identity issue? No, that's culture. If I like baseball, I play baseball. But if I'm a girl, should I be playing baseball or does that make me a tomboy? Suddenly now you are classic something other than neoclassical feminine women. And that's where I think we get in trouble because culture different than sexuality. We we play girls in pink and we they do certain things and guys do certain things and they're blue and and that's the that's the comfort zone of the classic.

41:23 So when we start crossing those things and saying, look, I I'm a if I'm a woman, I should be able to do anything that a guy does. Or if I'm a guy should be able to do, a woman does, and it includes the culture as well that goes along with the baggage of your gender. But if the, like Alex said separate, than that is if I fall in love with someone, I'm I'm open enough regardless of my hormones, because my hormones might say I want a man or a woman. But if you fall in love with someone you love, that's. Not. That's that's completely different thing. But to your also your your question about the hormones. Indeed we are in a in a society now with it's a very hormone skewed because of the foods we eat and then what we're exposed to and they do, they can change And so for example women now are going through a menstrual A menstrual cycle 5-6 years earlier than when I was a teenager. We are our bodies are changing.

42:21 But if a woman goes through a menstrual cycle earlier, does that still make her abnormal? Abnormal. No. We are changing and we adjust and we evolve. And sure, chemical and hormonal things can play an influence in that. Right, right. But that's to say, if that happens to you, do we reject that person? Is that are they now worthy of being a person? So it there's a good question there and there's and there's not a solid answer. But also if you look back historically, you'll see a closeted wide sexual range of people all through history way before chemicals ever got into.

43:08 The. Whole packaging. So yeah, we are just prefaces of saying. They it's here the some of some of the greatest minds have come from that community. And we just. Don't go back and refer to that, yeah. Interesting. So this might be the last question I think where it might be at the end if you have to go we're. Good. We're good. Yeah, we're good. Still. Yeah. So okay, good, good, okay. So do you think that it's possible to 100% repress hormonal urges? And actions in public and private while living a healthy life. I think it's possible to shield them absolutely anyone. And in fact conversion therapy is really good at, if you look at our poster for the film is A and that is a condition that people do for like cigarette smoking conversion therapy if a child is maybe shown.

44:12 Pictures of someone that's that arouses them. This is the wrong their preference. They will snap. That so the condition through pain and torture. Whether it's arousal or not. Yeah, they until they are repulsed by the idea of something. So the repulsion which is a basically a PTSD at that point. Will shut down the brain to say I cannot look at this. You know I can't look at men anymore. I get. I get noshed. I think men. I can't go to the gym and everything just just irks me now because I've been conditioned not to like men because it was a hormonal thing. Whatever or a it is just who I am as a person and I love this and and you can go a lifetime scarred and damaged and be and and and.

45:01 Tortured mentally the rest of your life based on these. Actions and practicing homophobia just to repress how you feel, Yeah. You know, I would love to see that for thieves like in Singapore, Dubai, there's more heavy. Punishments for thieves and in New York where I'm now and maybe the robber bank technique can help with that. But and and if anyone if everyone is just my my opinion if everyone took all the energy that they spent trying to convert people's sexuality into maybe making people not do dangerous drugs and steal perhaps we'd have a better culture because there's way too many hours and energy invested into this.

45:44 I think it's just. Just on a prior prioritization level, whether it's right or wrong, you know, putting that aside of an order of our our human needs, can we just, you know, drop this to the bottom and maybe work on farming instead? Exactly to that point alone. I mean, people are considering sexuality as a crime. They feel like they're trying to fix somebody, condition them to, you know, to be better. And it's not. Is not less than anyone else's desires, you know. So it's it's kind of like you're right, we should apply those torturous conditioning to criminals, but yet they're applying it to decent people who are just loving.

46:30 And so it's I think it's a shame that that's being considered putting that into that category. I think torture is torture. Are this and and and conversion therapy has been deemed torture. In that case, you know, there's better ways to to to to educate people and to embrace people and make them feel loved. I would say that if you go back to the core of any criminal, it's also the fact that they don't feel like they have an opportunity they don't have. You know, the the thing that we always go back to in this film, and not to spoil the film in any sense, but at the end of all the. The hardship and all the drama that goes on. If he's watch the trailer you see it's it's a rough movie because it really is about man who's scarred and yet he loves a woman and he really needs to understand that he's not a fraud. He's being told he's being told he needs must be one thing and he knows he is that but he deepens in the back of his head he's thinking am I something else because I as a child he didn't get that chance to make a choice and. And at the end of the film he takes all that pain and and with everyone around him and they make it some positive, which is a really good thing to be able to to to redirect the energy into something positive.

47:51 And and that's what we hope will come out of the film as well, that we'll see this journey and we'll say wow okay how can we make a difference. And so you know with us we're just making a movie but. That audience needs to know that there is people like the Trevor Project who are just going to everybody. And then there's conversion therapy drop at Network which is really taking people who survived it and bringing them together. And then we have Born Perfect, which is truly embracing the people who as they are and filling that self love, but also fighting legislation, the hundreds and hundreds of new bills and laws that are being passed this year alone. Is record-breaking to shut down the L, GB, TQ and women's rights is is staggering right now and and and our theme at the end of the film and we have these bracelets that we we hand out to everybody and you can't see it but it says love yourself love yourself 1st and everything else will fall into place and.

48:54 That's. That's that's the core of this whole thing. Love yourself first. And everything else will fall into place if everyone else can chime in and love them too. That doesn't hurt, yeah. Does help. It definitely does help. I mean, I try to live by Don't let your compliments go to your head. Don't let your fatigues you go to your heart. But I took it too far and I started really ignoring compliments. And then I found myself feeling depressed. And I was like, wait a second, why don't you take some of the nice things people say? Because I didn't. I didn't want to get too high or too low from anyone. I want it to come from here. But you know what? I think we are humans and humans are meant to be connected to other humans on some levels and it is it is a positive thing.

49:36 I think after kind of banning the the compliments for a little while to take in some positive positivity from other people. Just temper it and don't take it too much and don't take the negativity. But I'll give you one last question. I'm not a very religious person. I've tried I studied different religions. I go out to churches and temples and you know I I just you know at a young age I couldn't. Get on board with not eating bread and I didn't see how that connected to my wellbeing, like the Jews, the matzo. So I just thought that was ridiculous. Amongst other things. I'm a very logical person not putting down religion, but hey, it's not for me. So my question is how would you see religion, specifically Christianity, pushing conversion therapy to be used more or less? And can we?

50:24 Me practicing Christians, which I'm not but many are, and live a healthy life, but you accept yourself. That's a tricky one. That that's a. Stigmatic. Question and then we get. It that's the last one. That you must take for. Apple. Because it's it's the big one and and I would say the entire our nation hinges on that question right now. That's bigger than US community that is a national community. Question that we're asking ourselves because God is playing a role in all of our decisions right now and you have to believe in God and that's a presumption and that's like saying I I presume everyone is heterosexual. I presume everyone is Jewish or I everyone is is Christian and that is a that is a can be a an offensive assumption out the gate.

51:22 Right. And I don't know how we get past that because first of all, if you travel the world, there are many, many different religions and there are cultures that don't have any religion at all. All of them are good people. They're all good people. We're just trying to find an answer to the fear of dying and what is afterlife, you know? But if you have a religion, that's great. I say just keep it to yourself or in your party, but don't push it. But when you start using. Religion as a divisive tool or as a tool to manipulate or to control, to downplay, to to recruit.

52:04 It's dangerous I feel. And it's it's not the. It's not the what? What religion. Religion is something. Yeah. It's not what it's meant to be And so right. Like you I mean and just and just between us like if religion were out of the picture, we'd be a. A kinder world because love is love and God doesn't. If there is a God, I'd hate to think he hates in any way. Yeah, yeah. And I guess I will say one of my last experiences. I've had some great experiences with religion recently. But I did refuse to hug a guy at a podcast. I don't think while doing a podcast I need to hug every single person.

52:49 I don't. Why do we have to get that close? I refuse to hug him. And I got all these nasty messages off later that actually had me shaky, saying you need to stay up all night and read the Bible. You should pray you're so unprofessional. Because I wouldn't hug him. So their real religion was used against me to try to coerce me to, like, touch him. Very strange. Yeah. Very strange. You know, we're doing a whole week of festival celebration with all filmmakers across the country. And we all have our screening dates coming up and people are flying in and they're from everywhere and they're every age and we're all shaking hands and drinking and this and that.

53:31 And it's risky there too. And I feel sometimes I, especially yesterday we were at a party with filmmakers and they're eating pizza and then they. And then they want to shake your hands like I'm like, hey, no, you know, take care of yourself. You know, just eat your pizza. Don't just. Talk me out, Pick up your pizza. We won't have to. I mean, I'm all for germs and I wear black, so I spell things. But it's like we should have the choice whether we want to get close to someone or not. And if you want to be straight or gay or Tristan or Jewish, whatever, we shouldn't be thrown into some type of camp to touch people or not touch people. So to your point, Jen, right there you're getting criticized and getting hate for. Not. Hugging someone, that is. A. And then religion comes into it.

54:14 No, that's a religion, yeah, but that's a cultural behavior. If you and Japan never hug someone, you would bow. So by not complying to your culture and what you're supposed to do according to something that is man made is a fabricated behavior you're now considered not good. Right. That feels wow. Well, well said. And I think I'm going to corporate bowing and I'm going to have to cite you. I'm not kidding. I mean, I do stand up. So I do a lot of crazy things. I'm going to start bowing and I'm going to cite this interview and I'm going to post this clip and I still listen. I'm going to bow. We might not hug and kiss, you know, maybe we'll do that later. But accept the bow from me. So thank you guys.

54:56 Before we go, please let listeners viewers know where to find you. Tell us, you know, social media links everything. Unfixedmovie.com is where you can find our trailer and more information about the film. We are currently an official selection of dances with films rated in the top ten of film festivals in the US and we're screening this Friday, June 30th at 7:15 PM at the TCL Chinese theaters. And we hope that everyone could join us in our world premiere. All the actors are going to be there and also our support groups are going to be there especially to ever project and they'll be giving out more information to about how you can get involved with their organization to get on hotlines or to help kids who are troubled and have questions or feel suicidal.

55:54 It's a good it's a it's our way of bringing the community together to bring a family that all kind of fighting. For the same thing in their own way, in their own lane. Yeah. In addition, yeah. And in addition, conversion therapy, dropout network, they help conversion therapy survivors cope with the aftermath of having to go through the process and still dealing with the PTSD of conversion therapy. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. And hey, if if any of your actors don't show up, because sometimes that happens on the director side, I know that happens, you can send them a message and say you need God stay up and read the Bible all night.

56:36 And maybe that would coerce them to show up to their next premiere because we know how people can be flaky. All right, guys, thank you so much and good luck with everything. And I look forward to actually seeing the whole movie. We'll send, we'll send it to. You and we'll send you the link. Yeah, these links, but these very, very special people. Yeah. Beautiful guys. Watch it on the big screen if you can. OK, Roblox, I appreciate the education and we'll see you later. You had any honor you would listen to Scifi dot radio, the Scifi for your Wi-Fi Kapla. Now back to our show.

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