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And now it came from the radio.

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Yapper toy and welcome once
again to It came from the radio,

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The official show The Vega of a
Con.

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This is your host, Mark Torres.
Speaking with me via virtually

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distancing is none other than M
Con's Kelly Gordon.

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Hello everyone, thank you for
inviting me.

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On this week's show, we're going
to be talking to with and about

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Kelly for the second time
because he actually was a guest

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at our 102nd live show.
I believe it was yes.

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Yes, definitely.
So we're going to be talking

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more with Kelly and get deep
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Also on this week's show, in
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with and about Kelly, we also
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interview author Isabel Zinman
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interviews author Richard
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All right, so as normally we
have a sad news, but we have no

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sad news because it's all about
Kelly.

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So Kelly, we've known you for
quite some time and you've been

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part of the of our show and a
part of the Eastman Ohio library

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and part of the M Con for a
number of years.

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So I guess the first question is
how did you get started at the

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library and how did that form
into the M Con?

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You said many years, yes.
So I definitely have to say I'm

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definitely a veteran at this.
It's like been 16 years.

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This will be our 16th annual M
Con at the East Meadow Public

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Library on Saturday and Sunday,
April 25 and the 26th.

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Well, basically, I'm a huge fan
of anime.

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I'm a huge fan of a lot of pop
culture things, movies, TV's,

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the works.
And it was given, it was

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skipped.
This task was given to me by the

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higher ups at the library.
They wanted to do an event back

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in 2011, and they asked me if I
had any ideas of coordinating a

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New York Comic Con version for
the library.

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And I just, I've been going to
places like New York Comic Con

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and other conventions of things
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I figured, yeah, why not?
I could definitely do so.

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I'm very heavily in the artist
community, me being an artist

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myself.
So I figured, yeah, I'll take on

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the task.
And basically I found a few

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artists in my in my circle and
found a few talents, did one day

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event and then basically
scheduled panels and then ended

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off with a cosplay contest and
it went, it went so well.

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That was very successful.
We had a good amount of people

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to our target audience that
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We decided to do it this
annually and not only just not

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do the one day, we actually
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I should say really and do a 2
day event, which I could only

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say I have to boast about is
that we're the only library

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event convention on Nassau and
Suffolk County actually do a 2

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day event.
Full day panels, workshops,

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artist alley, professional
performances, cosplay, the

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works.
And the best part about it?

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It is free.
That's right, free convention,

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which is an awesome thing and
it's a real it.

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And what I think about one of
the things of the M Con is that

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it can rival a media to a small
convention that you pay for.

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So that's really a pat on the
back for you, if you think about

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it.
Thank you, Mark.

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I appreciate that.
Yeah, I figured, you know, like

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bringing something to a Pacific
target audience that enjoys

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anime and pop culture.
I figured it would be a great

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thing for the, you know, for the
library to do is being the

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central hub for education and
community is to bring in

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something where that you don't
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the city for and spend money on
transportation and also entries

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to a big con.
You can get a taste of that

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right in your hometown.
This is actually a blessing for

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everybody.
They want to come down and enjoy

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themselves and just or for those
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conventions are like me, special
artists and people, whatnot,

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that's their among their peers
and be able to network with

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authors and other artists.
This is a greater event to go to

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and actually come in as a newbie
or someone who's just really

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enjoy these kind of events.
So I if that is the best of both

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worlds on that tape.
One of the things I find most

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interesting because we've been
doing this show for we just

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celebrated our 24th anniversary
this year and we've had a lot.

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Of.
Regulations.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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We've had a lot of convention
organizers on this show and

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either they had the idea, the
inspiration that they want to do

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it, that they feel that there's
money in it, that there's

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whatever reason.
But you, my friend, are the only

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person who was told to make a
convention.

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Do you find that because you
were told to do it, it made it

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easier or made it harder to make
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You know, if you had told me
this like 20 years ago that I'll

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be like conducting and running a
convention, I probably wouldn't

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believe it.
I mean, I probably can't just

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leave a little bit of it.
Back in the days, I was actually

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part of the event crew where we
used to do like small events,

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you know, block parties and DJ
music events and, and booze

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cruises, you know, before I
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So it's a it's funny how
something like this actually

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falls on my lap where it's
still, you know, for me to

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exceed my, my something like
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I have to say that conducting
this, it's it's not always easy.

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It's easier now since I got the
mechanics down packed.

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Now it's been passed, like I
said, this our 16 year, but it

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is challenging on the part.
It's like they keep trying to

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keep it fresh and new for for
our followers and people who

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dedicate themselves coming into
this event every year and

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keeping them among us to say at
least that, you know, we know

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they can stay with us and then
come in and inspect something,

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think different and new.
Also give them those oohs and

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ahs at the moment, you know,
when it comes down to it.

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So I'm trying, you know, so
that's mostly the challenging

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part is to keep in the audience
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the the atmosphere of M Con at
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One of the other things is that
is at a working library and the

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library does not shut down.
I mean many of times people.

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Just walk.
In getting a book and then like

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what's going on, that's another
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Now, how do you manage to have
that balance between actually

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having a con and still keeping
the library operational during

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that time?
Well, I have to say, I mean, I

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can't do it all by myself here.
I got a great team on my hands,

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power regulations and the
administration, the staff and

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everyone else.
I mean, they're all on board of

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what we do here.
I remember back in, it's just a

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short little story real quick
and I'll keep it quick.

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I remember back in like say 2012
when we second started, we used

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to have this Tai Chi master
before our revision.

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We used to do all performances
right in the lobby of the

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library, right in front of the
check in and check out books,

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desk, front desk.
He will be right there

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surrounded by our audience and
he would do something called the

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drunken sword dance and how that
work.

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If you ever seen those
comfortable place where you know

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they doing like a drunken Kung
Fu style, instead of that, add a

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sword into it and this guy will
be flipping around, bouncing,

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walking wobbly with a sword,
flipping around, doing all this

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kind of craziness just in front
of a live audience.

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And also while you're checking
in your book, I will see people

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hurting their heads like what is
that?

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And that part get them intrigued
to say, OK, special event at the

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library.
I get it.

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Maybe I should look more into
it.

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I mean, yeah.
But again, just answer question

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is basically, you know, it's a
whole whole team effort, you

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know, trying to keep the library
functioning as is why we're

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having this great event going on
at once.

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You know what not I can't take
all to take on to that.

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Everybody just on board.
We have meetings, planned

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meetings at different
departments and then we all

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trying to get it together and
make sure everything is

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straight.
And we also got a great team

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Advisory Board that actually
part of a, a group that in our

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YA section that, you know, they
bought help volunteer.

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It's all together.
It's a one team, one goal.

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What about the people who just
want to use a library in a quiet

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space?
I mean, having a conventional

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library seems to be two polar
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generally, generally speaking is
a very quiet, mundane, calm

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place.
Old school, Mark, that is old

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school.
No, no, no, we're not.

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You know, we're not the same
1950s beehive hairstyle, glasses

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wearing, librarians going SH Why
you know, there.

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I mean, this is a library has a
whole new skin right now in the

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game, you know, right now.
I mean, we're offer like Tai

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chi, meditation, easy exercise
programs, you know, lectures,

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programs, the works.
I mean, basically we're you

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know, we're not just like a
library, not just books.

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You know, we're basically a
Community Center now basically,

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you know, yeah, out there to
help out the community.

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And basically, you know, it's a
whole new ball game when it

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comes to.
We're not the old school library

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where you have to be quiet.
Yeah, there's a few people that

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come in and want to say we do
have study rooms.

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They're more than happy to go
into there during the event, you

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know, they can study whatnot.
But when all this craziness is

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happening with the cosplay and
artists and music and

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performances, why you want to
study?

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How about you play hooky for a
little bit and hang out with us

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and then enjoy the the the
cosplay smell?

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Another thing about the
convention being that it's free

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and being as I mentioned
earlier, it is on par with a

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small medium sized convention.
Do you find that because there

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is an abundance of conventions
and events and shows on Long

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Island that is it a competition
or is it like a complimentary to

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it?
How do you feel about that?

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I will say this, I, I'm not
going to say I was the birth of

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Long Island conventions when it
comes to the library, things of

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that nature, but I will say that
I find that I'm very

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inspirational into the game when
it comes to like spreading love

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out of this Grand Tour of
basically of anime pop culture

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events.
When it comes to it, I look at

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it as a more of a flattering
deal.

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I mean, I have people coming to
me all over.

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I mean, I'm talking about from
like, you know, from from New

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York to the Long Island and
Suffolk County.

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They come through and they check
out the event.

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They hear about the event, they
curious about starting their own

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library convention and whatnot.
And it's, you know, not only

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that, you know, it's firing to
me, but also it helps out more

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of the community by, you know,
networking with the artists and

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authors and people who does
performances locally here to be

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able to spread out and to new
venues and whatnot.

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little piece of the pie.
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everybody get to enjoy and also
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I don't have no things against
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I actually find that's actually
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spreading the love for everyone
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Library for M Con.
Speaking of which, now, right

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now I'm going to be doing a
library panel with a few other

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librarians who actually had done
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have.
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program for nationwide library
intake and Intel to basically

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how to start your own library
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I'm very honored that they they
asked me to join.

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So we're going to, we're going
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not just as us, but everyone on
the nation that basically how to

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start their own library con and
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doors.
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this going to be local, this is
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across the country when it comes
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So it's just going to keep
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So is this going to be an in
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Is this going to be a virtual
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Can people?
It's going to be a virtual

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thing.
It's only, just, just for only

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librarians only.
It's going to be a virtual thing

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on Zoom only.
It's going to be me and I

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believe three or four other
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game.
And shout out to Marissa

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Lieberman.
She's also, I'll say, one of the

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granddaddy's masters of it all,
because she also started way

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before me, like a year before me
on Tasha Khan in the Rockville

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Center library.
Now she's in New Jersey and I

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got to witness that through her
or how this kind of event can

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actually work out.
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with me on the panel And and
three, I think two or three

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other librarians that that's
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they're gonna help out and, you
know, to discuss how to start

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your own event.
Well, that's really great.

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Hopefully that will turn into a
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And I guess my final question
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library?
You're going to have like a a

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jet plane flying over.
You're going to have like

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balloons outside the library.
What is the end for the M Con?

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Because it's your stagnant
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You can't expand beyond the
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What's the plan?
I, I always say that we at

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Eastmont Library, we offer a
safe space area for everyone to

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come in and enjoy.
It's family based.

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You know, it's it's it's nothing
where you know, it's just only

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for certain amount of like
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Anything like that is for
everybody.

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We're not going to be spanning
out on the streets.

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We're not going to be dancing in
the streets like this is fame.

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All right, So we everything's
going to be inside cooped up

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into the building.
Long as everybody smiles and

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enjoy themselves and no one gets
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That is the end game goal of it
all, you know, and then to have

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people even to follow our old
followers and then gaining some

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new followers.
We can still grow, make growth

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from it all and expand on to the
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And during this free event,
things went, you know, after the

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pandemic, our numbers kind of
dwindled down a little bit since

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we reopened the library.
We started M kind of believe

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sometime in 2021-2022.
So our numbers kind of dropped

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down back in our peak years
between 2016 and 2018, we used

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to bring in fourty 800 people
within the whole 2 day event.

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Now things kind of like we're
down a little bit, but we're

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hoping that, you know, once
people get more here at that

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where, you know, this is
happening, this is still going

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on and this is the event that
the library offers.

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We're hoping to, you know, get
our numbers up and yet allow

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more people to come in to enjoy
such an event like this.

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All right, so that's my end
game.

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All right, so final bit.
What day is it?

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What time is it?
Where can I find out more

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information?
All right, So basically it's

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going to be Saturday, Sunday,
April 25th and the 26th.

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Saturday hours is from 10:00 to
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Sunday hours is from 1:00 to
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You could fall.
You always go to our our website

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at the East Miller Library at
WWW dot emeadow.info again,

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www.eastmeadow.info, go to event
calendar, go straight to the

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date.
We have the schedules up and

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everything.
I just saw a few programs you

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can register for so you can you
can keep your spot safe and open

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for yourself.
And if you want more information

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too, you can also follow us on
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EMPL&M con anime fest, again,
EMPLM con anime fest.

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That's E as in Edward, excuse
me, E as in East MSN Meadow.

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So you can get, you know, you
can go there or just type in M

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Con Anime Fest on Facebook and
you should be able to find us.

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All right, so we're almost out
of time.

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So everybody make sure you go go
check out the M con.

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We've been promoting it for a
long time.

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It's a really good convention.
And the fact that it's free

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isn't even like the little
cherry on top, because even if I

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would say even if this was a
paid convention, it's a pretty

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darn good convention to go to.
But the fact that it's free

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makes it should be your number
one priority to go there.

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Support these Middle Public
Library portal of artists that

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are there, and I will be there
as well.

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In theory, my book should be
there and I will be hosting a

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panel there as well.
All right, so with that, we're

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going to take a break and we'll
be right back with more.

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Today we have Isabel Zinman.
She's a published writer and a

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retired librarian.
Welcome to the show, Isabel.

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Thank you for having me.
Now, let's get right into it.

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Now, you worked at a Public
Library for, I don't know,

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decades, right?
Like there like like 3 decades

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over.
Years.

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And you taught kids of all ages,
so what's one thing that you

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learned from your students?
That they love to be listened to

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and they love it when you and
joke.

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When you joke.
You might be as you can.

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You can relay the message and
give instructions, but as long

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as you have a sense of humor
about it, the more loving you

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are, the more receptive they
are.

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You know what, that's a really
good tip because sometimes I

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manage this real estate place.
And the last time I was there, I

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did not answer anything with
jokes or humor or smile or

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anything playful, which I often
do.

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I was like, wow, everyone's like
responding with an attitude

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today.
I feel like, I feel like

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everyone was kind of like
bitter.

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So I'm going to keep that in my
head, be a little bit more

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smiley, maybe joke around a
little bit more and don't be so

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serious, you know, 'cause they,
they come to me with a very

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serious demeanor and usually I
joke back.

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But you know, sometimes I'm not
in the mood.

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And when I'm not in the mood,
then it becomes this serious

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reaction.
All right, next question.

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What's a funny thing a kid said
to you?

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Well, it was in kindergarten
Garden.

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It was a kindergarten class and
I was teaching about the seasons

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and a kid piped up, Oh, I know
all about that.

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That has to do with Mother
Nature and I, they're right.

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And then another kid said, oh, I
know who Mother Nature is.

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That's God's wife.
Well, the next thing I know, I

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get a call from a mother telling
me that I am teaching religion

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in a secular school.
Figure that out.

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Until I realized that the kids
were the ones who were talking

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about it.
So when as soon as I explained

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it to the mother, she was OK
with it.

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I think that was one of the
things that brings my attention,

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you know, that I think about.
Well, one thing I think about

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often, and I refer to it because
you told me the story at least

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once that you were in the
hallway, I think, talking to the

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school principal and a kid came
up to you and said, Miss Zigman,

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are you having a bad hair day?
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So let me explain how that
happened.

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I was talking to my principal
about something very seriously.

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And this little boy came by and
tugging at my pants.

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And we told this little kid that
he has to wait.

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So finally the principal said to
him, OK, So what is it that you

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want to say that's so important?
He said, Miss.

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And he had a lisp.
So he said, Miss Zinman, you're

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having a bad hair day today,
aren't you?

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And one day that I decided not
to, to wash my hair and just let

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it go naturally because I had.
And he thought, and it was so

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important.
That.

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Interrupt the conversation to
let me know never to wear my

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hair like that again.
Well, well, The thing is this

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hairstyle, if you're watching
this, this is, this is not very

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deep, but it's funny to me.
The hairstyle you have now is

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very smooth.
But this happened like 10-15

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years ago.
And I remember you said to me,

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oh, I came up with this
hairstyle to do my hair anymore.

448
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,000
It just takes 5 minutes or a
couple minutes.

449
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,320
I just put mousse in it and I
scrunch it and I go, and I said,

450
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,360
yeah, it looks like you put your
finger in an electric socket.

451
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,760
You kept saying how great it
was.

452
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,440
And I'm like, all right, you
know how to look electrocuted.

453
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,120
So now you got you got your
answer because kids will tell

454
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,280
you the honest truth.
And he?

455
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,880
Was only six years.
Old Well, Speaking of honesty, I

456
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760
know you have a story about not
hanging up the phone because

457
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,560
nowadays, you know, everything
is through phones and cell

458
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,160
phones, You know, if you don't
use landlines.

459
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,680
So a lot of people me when I
take calls in the shower because

460
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,560
I take calls in the shower to
save time.

461
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,360
And it works well.
It's better for listening than

462
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:45,760
talking.
But you know, if you put your

463
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,120
phone in a safe place, it's a
really great way to save time if

464
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,520
you guys shout a lot and you
don't really hang up your phone

465
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960
a lot.
So, you know, tell us about.

466
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,720
This situation that happened
with someone who didn't hang up

467
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720
the phone.
This is a great story and I'll

468
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,200
try to make it very short.
I was very friendly with this

469
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,280
person for a long time.
She and I would go out every

470
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,480
Friday night with for dinner and
then I don't know, COVID came

471
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,960
and we just lost community
vacation.

472
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,480
I bumped into her at a store and
we had a wonderful conversation.

473
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,240
I had my dog with me.
She loved my dog.

474
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,040
So the next day I decided to
call her up and just let her

475
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,680
know how nice it was to bump
into her.

476
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,800
When I called her she was on the
phone with somebody else.

477
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,880
For some reason she didn't hear
me but I could hear her and all

478
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,520
I heard was Oh my God here she
is calling me now what do I do?

479
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,080
Oh I don't want to ever see her
again She looks terrible her she

480
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,040
wears her hair the same way she
always did.

481
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,720
Oh my God what am I going to do?
She went on and out on how

482
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:05,080
miserable she felt about me.
I have no idea what I did, so I

483
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,120
kept trying to tell her that I
could hear everything she.

484
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,000
Said but she attacked me.
You were texting right?

485
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,560
Or you were on the phone saying
it.

486
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,240
Finally I.
Decided to text her and while

487
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,560
she was on the phone with this
other person I heard her say

488
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,440
she's texting me right now.
There she is now what am I going

489
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,320
to do?
And my text to her was, I heard

490
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,440
everything you said, don't
worry, you won't have to hear

491
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,920
from me again.
I don't know what I did to you,

492
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240
but I'm whatever I did.
I'm very sorry.

493
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,200
And I will never ask that for
dinner again or whatever.

494
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,320
That was the strangest thing
I've ever experienced.

495
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,720
Yeah, you better make sure
you're hanging up the other line

496
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,120
before you're talking about
someone.

497
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,040
You know, that's the lesson in
that she even just don't talk.

498
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,120
I don't know.
I don't even think she knew that

499
00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,000
I was on the other line.
I don't know it was.

500
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,880
So did.
You borrow anything from this

501
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,440
situation.
Any takeaways?

502
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,120
Haven't learned one thing.
All I know is just hang up your

503
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:08,320
phone.
All I know is that people are

504
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,360
very, very sensitive and think
anything that you say that you

505
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,520
don't even mean can can drive
them up the wall.

506
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,080
That's it.
I don't know.

507
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,120
Well, Speaking of pharma, do you
believe in karma?

508
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,680
And if so, any stories about
karma?

509
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Any witnesses?
You know someone getting karma,

510
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,360
for better or for worse.
I can't tell you the whole

511
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,800
story, but I can tell you that I
truly believe that the truth

512
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,960
always comes out, that you
always get caught.

513
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,480
You will not ever get away with
anything.

514
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,880
I truly believe that it it you
will be found out.

515
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,640
Nothing cannot get away with
anything because I believe that

516
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,880
the universe watches you and
then for some reason tells other

517
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:05,880
people and just tell the truth,
be honest and always do the

518
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,960
right thing and then that's it.
And, and predictions, any, you

519
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280
know, Speaking of this psychic
stuff, have you ever like met

520
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:14,760
someone?
You're like, oh, this is going

521
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,800
to happen and then it happens.
My dream sometimes comes true.

522
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,000
I'm very spiritual and I just
truly believe that the universe,

523
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,240
if, if you're in, if you're in
contact with the universe, it

524
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,880
will take care of you.
But always give thanks.

525
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,720
Always, always show
appreciation.

526
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Always understand that there's
something more powerful than

527
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440
you.
What if you had a friend that

528
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,640
never said thank you?
Would you still be friends with

529
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,120
this person?
I've never had a friend who

530
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,880
never said thank you, so I have
no experience in that.

531
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,960
I I have, I actually caught
them.

532
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Yeah, no.
I most of my friends, I've never

533
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,280
had anybody.
The people that haven't shown

534
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,640
appreciation are not my friends.
Let's put it down.

535
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,280
If they don't show appreciation
for who I am, they're not worth

536
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,320
having as friends.
That's true.

537
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280
All right.
Next, Speaking of appreciation

538
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,800
and attitude, do you believe in
having a positive attitude and

539
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,560
not complaining?
You even went through chemo

540
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,720
during the pandemic and I didn't
catch you complaining at all.

541
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,120
I definitely would have been
complaining for sure.

542
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,120
So what are some things that you
know people can do or or you did

543
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,120
to have a positive attitude and
not complain?

544
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,560
Well, I used the time very
wisely.

545
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,080
I brought my computer with me.
I was still teaching at the

546
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:43,680
time, remote, and I had to do
lesson plans, grade papers.

547
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,560
So I used all that time in my
chair doing my school work,

548
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,480
whereas I would watch other
people doing absolutely nothing,

549
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,480
Right?
Right.

550
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Not kidding.
Nothing.

551
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,000
And it was during COVID, so you
really couldn't have a visitor

552
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,360
with you.
So the people sat there for four

553
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,520
hours doing nothing, maybe
sleeping, looking at their

554
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,840
watches.
I mean, what a waste of time.

555
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,040
So I, and I think I was the only
patient there, that when they

556
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,000
told me that my time was up and
they had to take the IV out of

557
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,360
me, I was the only one that
stayed maybe 10 minutes longer

558
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,200
because I still had to want to
finish my work.

559
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:38,080
Because when I got home I wanted
to just veg, knit, do whatever I

560
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,800
wanted to do.
I didn't want to do any school

561
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,600
work.
So I got everything

562
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,200
accomplished.
So what are some other ways

563
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,680
people can have a good attitude
if they just feel like they lost

564
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,280
all hope?
Let's say they had a breakup,

565
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,000
you know, that's getting you
down and they're not

566
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,160
appreciated.
And maybe they got in a car

567
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,440
accident and, you know, maybe
their insurance rates went up.

568
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,200
You know, everything just seems
like it's raining on them.

569
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,160
But let's say you get a car
accident and you're in the

570
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:12,000
hospital makes with the nurses.
Make friends and understand the

571
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,720
caring that these people have
for you and appreciate it.

572
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,560
I keep a journal and at the end
of every day I give thanks for

573
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,200
something and always look
forward to something the next

574
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,840
day.
Even if it's a 10 minute or a 15

575
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,000
minute thing to look forward to,
find something in the day that's

576
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,040
going to bring you joy and
happiness.

577
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,440
Penis.
Yeah, that's.

578
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Always something OK, I have a
random question for you because

579
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,760
this is a personal question.
Let's say you cast an actor or

580
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,360
an actress and they do this
theater yelling, which I, I

581
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,480
don't do.
I, I mean, you've known me for

582
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,760
quite a while and I don't think
you've ever heard me go, well,

583
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,600
I'm going to do this.
But that's, that's how some

584
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,200
theater actors, they say they're
lying.

585
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000
Let's say the line is what do
you think happens after you die?

586
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880
They go, well, what do you think
happens after you die?

587
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,160
And let's say you cast them and
they're doing this whole theater

588
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,520
actor BS, which I can't stand.
How would you nicely tell them?

589
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,280
Can you lower your voice and not
yell all your lines?

590
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Can you play it back to them to
show them what it's like?

591
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,640
I think they like this style.
But they have to listen They.

592
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Like this style, but how, how
would you say it?

593
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,440
How would you tell them to stop
screaming and everything?

594
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,280
Because you have more tact than
I do.

595
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,760
I think I mean, not all the
time, but sometimes I'm very

596
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360
direct and I would want to hear
it directly.

597
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,600
I.
Was a director of a movie.

598
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,200
Yeah, what would you do and.
I didn't like the way they said

599
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,520
the line.
Yeah.

600
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,000
I would I would then say to
them, I am the director.

601
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,640
I think that this can be done a
different way.

602
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,520
Let's try it differently.
Soften your voice and let's see

603
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,040
what it sounds like in a
different tone.

604
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,160
You're a sister.
You can do this.

605
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,480
You can do this Many, many ways.
Let's try it.

606
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,320
Bye way.
All right.

607
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,040
What would you do?
Last question.

608
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,880
What would you do if I decided
to scream everything I said

609
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,760
every time I saw you?
Wow.

610
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,560
Hello there.
Isn't it a beautiful day?

611
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:32,720
My my mother was like that
sometimes and I would just stop.

612
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,680
I would just.
Stop.

613
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,400
I wouldn't say a word nothing.
I brought away nothing and I

614
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:46,720
would just I would just pause
and then say it my way or not

615
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:52,280
respond if it I you know, just
this is this is their.

616
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Problem We're at the end of the
interview, so just give us your

617
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720
final thought before we close
out.

618
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,720
Oh, I just think that people can
change attitudes very easily if

619
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,800
they have strategies.
Find something good in everyday,

620
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,520
find something to look forward
to and learn something new.

621
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,960
When you meet a challenge, it's
the most rewarding experience.

622
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,480
Keep your keep your brain active
and don't say no.

623
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Say yes more often and smoke.
You know what I look forward to

624
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,840
at the end of the day?
Eating peanut butter.

625
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,639
But I need to find something
else before I gain another 10

626
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,280
lbs.
On that note, we're going to go

627
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,840
back to the studio for more.
It came from the radio.

628
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,880
Thank you for listening.
Hey everybody, this is Todd

629
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000
McFarlane of the record setting
Spawn comic series.

630
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,040
And if you're looking for any
kind of cool conversation about

631
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,960
creators, about entertainment,
about all that good stuff, you

632
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,840
go to It Came from the Radio.
You're listening to the right

633
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,080
spot.
Now back to our show, listening

634
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,280
to what came from the radio.
This is Jennifer Lee Spellman.

635
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,280
I'm here with Richard Spiegel.
He's a writer, he's a

636
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,040
storyteller.
He's a disabled veteran.

637
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
So I'm just going to read from
his website because he's done a

638
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,000
lot of things.
His website looks stunning, by

639
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,200
the way, and the stories that he
weaves and created look very,

640
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,840
very interesting.
So now he's weaved together

641
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,400
magic, mystery, and the darker
shades of imagination.

642
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,880
His world, such as those in
Eternal Nights and the Wolves

643
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,840
and Ravens Trilogy, challenge
what we believe, force hard

644
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,080
decisions, and explore how much
of truth can survive in shadows.

645
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,240
Richard served as an officer in
the Pennsylvania National Guard

646
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,040
and has a long history with the
82nd Airborne Division.

647
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,360
Have no idea what that is.
Choosing to build a family, he

648
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,520
left active combat service and
now balance his life with a

649
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,280
life.
Four daughters.

650
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,840
Oh my God, it's a lot of women
and his writing.

651
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,240
His entry into writing started
from his simple frustration.

652
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,880
He saw adult readers being
underserved and paranormal and

653
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,800
fantasy genres, vampires, magic,
supernatural beings, but more

654
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,000
often in formats that relied on
youth driven tropes.

655
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,480
Agreed.
So he set out to write the books

656
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,960
that he wanted to read.
Yeah.

657
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,800
If you you want something.
I wanted a diet plan years ago.

658
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,760
I created it myself.
I wanted a workout plan.

659
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,200
I created it myself and then I
taught it.

660
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,040
You got to create it yourself.
If you want it done right, you

661
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,120
know, no one else can control
your life but yourself.

662
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,680
So he wrote books that he wanted
to read, ones with dark corners,

663
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,720
moral risk, real emotions and
stories that don't sugarcoat the

664
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:31,400
consequences.
I like that 'cause I really

665
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,640
don't like to sugarcoat
anything.

666
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,320
Some people don't like that.
And when he's not penning a new

667
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,440
chapter or plotting the next
twist, Richard Spiegel draws

668
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,320
strength from the ordinary
moments.

669
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,680
Family dinners, quiet nights,
research into myth and folklore.

670
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,040
Each fragment of life becomes an
echo in his stories.

671
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,200
He believes that every hidden
truth and every choice and every

672
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,960
transformation matters and that
fiction has the power to ask

673
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,040
what we dare not to say out
loud, which I like to say the

674
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,080
things that people don't want to
say out loud.

675
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,880
It's it's very comforting to me.
That's that's my comfort zone.

676
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Uncomfortable.
So Richard Spiegel, welcome to

677
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,840
the came from the radio.
Well.

678
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,160
You know, thank you for having
me.

679
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,680
It's a nice.
Thank.

680
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:18,400
You so?
OK, so vampires.

681
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,960
First question, I've been asked
a few times.

682
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,360
If I am a vampire, in all
seriousness, and there are

683
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,640
people who believe in vampires,
do you believe that vampires

684
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,240
once existed or they do exist?
No.

685
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,280
I believe there's a lot of
things out there that we might

686
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
not understand, but to me it
remains firmly in the fantasy

687
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,600
world.
OK, how about magic?

688
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,760
I guess you know same answer.
Same answer.

689
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680
Very very non committal one way
or the other.

690
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,520
And supernatural beings.
Do you think that there are

691
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,280
beings other than you and me,
seemingly human beings, out

692
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,520
there?
Yeah, I, I feel, as I said, I

693
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,960
feel very strongly that there
are a lot of things out there we

694
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,680
don't understand and a big part
of life is maybe trying to

695
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,640
accept some of that.
Yeah, I mean, some people would

696
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,760
say that women, women can't be
understood.

697
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,240
And you have a wife and four
daughters.

698
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,160
So there's a that's a lot of
supernatural mystery right

699
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,920
there.
You know, women can't figure

700
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,360
them out.
You know, I can figure them out,

701
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,480
you know, just fine.
But I don't know.

702
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,920
I think more like a man.
So a lot of times I'm like, what

703
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,480
the heck is going on here, You
know?

704
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440
Anyway, so now your website
looks phenomenal.

705
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,040
And Full disclosure, I have not
read your books yet, but this is

706
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,280
a lot of work.
Everything looks really great

707
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
and well designed.
Why do you do all this?

708
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,920
This is a lot of work.
Well, I've been writing off and

709
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,080
on since high school, primarily
for the reasons that were in

710
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,800
that you mentioned and that I
ran out of stuff to read that I

711
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,560
wanted to read.
So I started writing my own

712
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,360
things.
I was always just kind of like a

713
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,000
hobby because at the end of the
day, you got to put food on the

714
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,840
table and you got to work jobs
and things like that.

715
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,720
And then a couple of years ago,
when my unit was deployed to

716
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,360
Egypt back in 2022, I knew I'd
have a bunch of time on my

717
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,200
hands.
Any time you're separated from

718
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,040
your family, you end up with a
lot more free time.

719
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,600
So I decided, you know, let me
give it a try.

720
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,840
Let me let me see how this whole
publishing thing works out.

721
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:19,320
And since then, I've been
writing like crazy.

722
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,680
I haven't really been able to
put the genie back in the

723
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,200
bottle, so to speak, and it's
kind of like consumed my entire

724
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,240
life just about.
Yeah, I mean, I find that some

725
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,600
of the best artists I've worked
with are a little obsessive or a

726
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,640
lot of obsessive.
And that's when those are the

727
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,080
people who make the best music,
the best movies, the best

728
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,640
modeling, the best everything.
They're just, they think about

729
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,560
it.
They wake up at 3:00 in the

730
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,520
morning.
Now, on this phone, I have

731
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,480
Microsoft OneDrive.
I write notes sometimes 300

732
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,400
times a day.
I'm opening this file and adding

733
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,720
two different notes.
What do you do for notes on the

734
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:52,880
go?
Like if you're at the grocery

735
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,560
store and you get an idea, what
do you do?

736
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,800
It's just all in my head
basically.

737
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,120
There's just like I spend more
time probably living in these

738
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,560
fantasy worlds than I do in the
real world.

739
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,880
It can be very disorienting
actually, and partially one of

740
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,200
the reasons I was medically
discharged in the 1st place,

741
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,680
because I'm crazy.
So it's all, I mean it's all

742
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,120
kind of in there.
And the most confusing part for

743
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,040
me is to pay attention to the
book that people are talking

744
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,080
about, because the stuff in my
head is stuff that a person's

745
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,760
not going to read for maybe
another five years because of

746
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,360
how far down I've been writing.
And then the publisher only

747
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,920
likes to put things out like
every nine months or something

748
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,160
like that.
And then somebody wants to talk

749
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,160
about something that they just
picked up and read.

750
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,560
Not to remind myself.
What was that book about again?

751
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,000
Like where in the timeline did
that story fit in?

752
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,560
And I end up talking to people
and they get confused because

753
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,320
I'm talking about something that
doesn't exist yet, not

754
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,760
realizing, you know, oops, I'm
having the wrong conversation

755
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,720
with this person.
Right, right, right.

756
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:56,880
Right.
OK, That's you being crazy.

757
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,760
What's that all about?
So you're you had to leave the

758
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,880
National Guard because you're
crazy?

759
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,320
Wait.
What?

760
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,400
Well, I'm not supposed to.
They frown on you saying it like

761
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,360
that.
But yes, I wasn't happy about it

762
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,960
in the very beginning, but I had
already done my 20 years and I

763
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680
decided, you know, I got my 20,
what they call a 20 year letter.

764
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,400
So I decided, you know, I'm not
going to fight these doctors.

765
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,480
And they're right.
And leaving meant that I could

766
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,160
spend more time, to put it
bluntly, embracing the craziness

767
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,480
and going with it.
There's actually, if you do

768
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,560
research, there's a lot of
manics out there in the creative

769
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,040
field field that intentionally
do not take their medication

770
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,240
because it stifles their
creativity.

771
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,720
They just, they embrace the
crazy because it allows them to

772
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,160
create things that other people
can.

773
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,240
That's interesting.
You know, this happens to me a

774
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,120
lot, you know, and that's a
supernatural woo woo thing.

775
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,440
But right before I interview
someone and I used to do health

776
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,000
counseling.
So I used to have individual

777
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,480
health clients come to me when I
would basically do therapy or

778
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000
I'd help them with their diet.
But right before they would

779
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,280
come, the week before or days
before, I would be thinking

780
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,880
about things that they had
problems with or things.

781
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,680
And right before we started, one
of my main thoughts was about

782
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,000
mania and how a future guest who
even has a song called, I think

783
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,120
it's called my manic episode.
I feel like that mania and that

784
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,760
intensity is why she's such a
good musical creator.

785
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,000
And having a bit of mania, I
feel like it's kind of necessary

786
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,440
at times to create anything
really exciting.

787
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,520
Like you have to have that
excitement in you.

788
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,440
And if you want to call it mania
or manic or diagnosis in the DSM

789
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,440
4, whatever.
But I think a little bit of

790
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,120
that.
And one more thing is I have

791
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,280
wheat grass outside my door.
And I said this in the last

792
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
interview, but if you take wheat
grass and you're on Mao is

793
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,640
people still are prescribed that
nowadays you actually can go

794
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,520
into a full on manic episode
just from a little bit of wheat

795
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,040
grass.
That's how powerful it is.

796
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,920
And I've actually been off wheat
grass for a few months and I can

797
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,760
feel I'm lower, but I like that
wheat grass extra kick where

798
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,840
people are like they think I'm
on something illegal.

799
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,800
It's like, no man, it's wheat
grass, it's coffee, it's green

800
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,360
tea.
So how do you manage that very

801
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,200
important and I think crucial
mania that is necessary to

802
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,160
create?
Well, years ago most of what I

803
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,280
dealt with was hypomania.
So I I this is long before me

804
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,600
understanding it, but I had very
productive oriented jobs.

805
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,160
Like I was a delivery driver.
So I got paid based on the

806
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,320
amount of work I did.
And that's a perfect job for a

807
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,080
Mac.
All I knew is that I made the

808
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,840
most money.
It didn't occur to me that's

809
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,880
because I'm nuts.
And then it was later on when

810
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,760
things got a lot worse that I
got my diagnosis and things like

811
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,240
that.
And then when you have like a

812
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,160
full automatic episode, that's
when you're getting into where

813
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,480
you can't control it anymore.
It's beyond hypomania.

814
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,120
It's into.
And this is where, like people,

815
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,160
bipolar disorder, end up getting
themselves into serious trouble

816
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,080
because they have to feed their
mania and it can last for days

817
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,560
and days.
I'm fortunate.

818
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,760
On the one hand, I'm a very
severe case, but on the other

819
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,880
hand, I'm very fortunate in that
my mania has always been focused

820
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,480
on my writing.
So my 90% of the time, my worst

821
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,600
case is maybe typing for five
days with no food or sleep

822
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,120
rather than some Mannix.
Well, maybe they might go out on

823
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,960
a on a shopping spree and spend
like $20,000 or destruction of

824
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,080
property or I, I have been
fortunate enough to not have to

825
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,560
experience those kind of more
negative impulses.

826
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,360
Yeah, I mean, maybe you were
meant to have this because, you

827
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,240
know, it looks like it's really
worked out well for you, at

828
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,520
least according to the website.
And this is a beautiful website.

829
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,280
This is one of the nicest
looking websites I've ever seen.

830
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,120
I think it looks fantastic.
And the video trailers for the

831
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,280
books.
All the knowledge in the very In

832
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,760
2022 I tried to make my own
website on WordPress and I was

833
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,760
very proud of it.
But compared to what the

834
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,520
publisher did, my website the
publisher made.

835
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,840
I love the video trailers for
each book.

836
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200
I love how they put all the
behind the scenes stuff in

837
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,640
there.
I, I love the look of everything

838
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,800
and I love not having to do it
myself.

839
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,160
I just give them information and
they, they won't really even let

840
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,520
me have control because they
basically told me I'll just

841
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,040
screw it up.
They were very polite.

842
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,400
They were very polite about it.
They're like, if you insist,

843
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,520
we'll give you administrative
access over your own blog.

844
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,040
But please don't.
But, but please don't do it.

845
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,160
Just like, all right, I'll leave
it to the professor.

846
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,400
See, that would never work for
me.

847
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,720
I'm such a control freak and I
like to control every single

848
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,000
aspect of almost everything I
do.

849
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,160
But if I work on other people's
movies, you know, I do makeup

850
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,160
artistry and I'll, I'll work as
a producer.

851
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,760
I'm hosting this show.
So the way I host the show is

852
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,000
much different.
If, if I was the main producer

853
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
of the show, I would do things,
it wouldn't be radio friendly.

854
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,120
I'll just tell you that right
now, it would not be real

855
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,880
friendly.
So this is me trying to fit into

856
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,800
the FCC regulations and it is
really freaking hard.

857
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,960
It is so difficult for me.
So anyway, no, your, your, your

858
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,360
description of your stories
mentions feeling deeply.

859
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,280
That part of the human existence
is feeling deeply.

860
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:16,240
I, I'd say most days I insert a
bit of escapism.

861
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,760
I, I like to feel my feelings
and feel deeply nowadays, but I

862
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,080
like to escape.
See that TV behind me.

863
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,280
I like what I do called like
Netflix and stuff my face, you

864
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,120
know, the end of almost every
single day.

865
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,320
That's just how I end the day.
I put on Netflix, put on

866
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,120
candlelight.
It's beautiful.

867
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,000
I totally just escape.
Are there ways that you escape

868
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,040
other than in writing?
Or do you just feel all the

869
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,240
feelings?
Not much anymore.

870
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,880
I used to be big on reading and
and I was a gamer mainly for

871
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,680
those exact reasons, just to
spend time in a different world

872
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,480
for a while.
But it got to the point to where

873
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,840
I crossed the line into my own
writing that it doesn't work

874
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,960
anymore.
I don't remember the last book I

875
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,000
actually read because I can't
seem to read anymore.

876
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,240
Every time I read, I'm not
enjoying it.

877
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,200
I'm too critical of the story.
I'm unable to read with

878
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,680
enjoyment, and I keep getting
sucked back into my own writing.

879
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,360
And I said these worlds, and I
know these characters better

880
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,280
than I know my children.
I'm emotionally attached to all

881
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,440
of them, and so the world's I
create are completely immersive

882
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:28,320
because every corner of them is
covered minus a little bit of

883
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
emptiness I leave for the
person's imagination to fill in

884
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,680
intentionally.
But I I cover all of the aspects

885
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,880
that most people either don't
know how or they're afraid to,

886
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,960
which is again why I think
they're geared more towards an

887
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,560
adult audience.
Yeah, I mean, I like that better

888
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,280
because you don't have to do the
hand holding and the sugar

889
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,400
coating and all the BS that
comes with, you know, children

890
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,760
stuff.
You know, no offense, I love

891
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,160
other people's children, but I
just wanted, I want the real

892
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,400
deal.
And that's, you know, listen, I

893
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,760
grew up watching rated R movies
when I was like 2 years old

894
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,280
about vampires and stuff.
And, you know, whether that was

895
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,080
good or bad, whatever.
But my, my dad at least didn't

896
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,360
sugar coat stuff.
You know, you work for the CDC

897
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,360
told me some real stuff that was
going on in the world, you know,

898
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,640
from a little kid That's all
coming out right now.

899
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,400
You know #Epstein files,
whatever, you know, hashtag Chad

900
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,840
Pandemic.
So, OK, vampires love vampires.

901
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,120
I love the look of them.
I still love watching them.

902
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,800
I think of Blade probably at
least once a week.

903
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,760
I'm a big fan of Blade and the
sexiness of vampires.

904
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,480
They're smarter than you, like
Tyler Durden.

905
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,800
They look how you want to look.
They ask how you want to, you

906
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,560
know, they, they move how you
want to move.

907
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,600
They're fast, except in one
movie The guy's not that fast.

908
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,760
I'm a big fan of the movie Night
for Day, but Russ Camarda does

909
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,720
not play your traditional fast
this crazy vampire.

910
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:48,400
He's kind of like sweet.
So now, if you were going to

911
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,880
cast people to play male and
female vampires, who would you

912
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,840
cast to play these vampires?
I do not know enough about who's

913
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,560
out there in these modern times.
I don't have a clue.

914
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,840
I'm very weak when it comes to
visual media when when adding

915
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,400
stuff like that.
I've been told my books are very

916
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,760
cinematic because for me, the
movie comes first in my head and

917
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,480
I just write down the stuff that
I see.

918
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,120
So the books themselves, they're
very cinematic, but I don't put

919
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,520
that kind of detailed thought
like, oh, you know, who do I

920
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,760
know that would play this
character or that character?

921
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,440
Mostly because I'm not really
familiar with that kind of

922
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,520
thing.
Respect.

923
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,560
You know what this whole
exception with the celebrity

924
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,080
culture?
It's for the birds.

925
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,240
I knew you're going to say that,
too.

926
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,280
I I knew it.
I was, I was like, I bet you

927
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,880
he's like, I don't care.
Like, I just care about my

928
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,640
books.
Like, I don't.

929
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,080
I don't care about some stupid
actress.

930
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,200
All right, I'm just going to
what about Angelina Jolie or, or

931
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,320
or Wesley Snipes or Brad Pitt?
Would they would they make the

932
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,720
deal for a vampire or no?
It's weird that you said that

933
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,520
because years ago now, this was
long before publication.

934
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,560
My parents are the first people
that read my books, and my

935
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,280
mother said something about
thinking of Angelina Jolie when

936
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,800
she thought of the female
character.

937
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,080
I never thought I never thought
about the male character because

938
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,120
no male actors with dark
features really pop into my

939
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,200
head.
I said I I don't know names well

940
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,600
enough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

941
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,320
Same for me actually.
I don't really have a male that

942
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,880
stands out as a vampire for me.
Yeah, I don't.

943
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,160
I really don't have anyone.
I like Blade.

944
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,640
Blade as hot vampire.
When I can't think of any actors

945
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,800
from other vampire things I've
ever watched because Leslie

946
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,720
Snipes is the wrong color for
the for the character based on

947
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:40,360
where the character was born.
I guess Brad Pitt's too old.

948
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,320
Now, now it is Tyler Durden
version.

949
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,800
We could bring it back with AI.
He's a little vampire, you know?

950
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,760
He's like, he moves fast, you
know?

951
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,800
He's stealing fat at the middle
of the night and making soap out

952
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,480
of it.
You know what?

953
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,960
What movies or books or or
things in life inspire you?

954
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,640
Like what?
What makes you be like, Oh yeah,

955
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,240
I got to write this down or I
got to put this in my book?

956
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:11,360
I've never noticed much of an
external stimuli beyond my own

957
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,800
desire and, well, my mania.
Like I know it's all coming from

958
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,400
me, but it's coming from a part
of my brain that I don't feel

959
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,680
like I have control over.
So in some ways it doesn't feel

960
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,280
like it comes from me.
And people ask me where my ideas

961
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,200
come from and stuff like I don't
know.

962
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
And I'm not trying to be funny
or stupid when I say stuff like

963
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,760
that.
Like they're just, they're just

964
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,680
there and it and the ideas get
fleshed out.

965
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,080
I'm told the average is 14
months for a professional author

966
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,960
to go from idea to final
manuscript.

967
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,720
And for me it's like 5 weeks.
Oh.

968
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,840
I'll flesh out an entire book
and a three hour drive just in

969
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,880
my head, like all the plot
points, all the characters.

970
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,680
It just happens and I'm able not
and I'm able to not crash my car

971
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,240
while it's happening because
it's completely, it's just

972
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:01,880
completely separate from what
I'm actively thinking about.

973
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,560
That's really interesting.
And how did you learn to write?

974
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,120
Because you were in the National
Guard, so how did you figure out

975
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,000
how to do this?
Well, that OK, so that's kind of

976
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,800
weird, but I do not have any
formal training in writing.

977
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:23,080
I just write.
And I've been working in this

978
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,640
industry long enough and worked
with enough editors and things

979
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,800
like that, that I've seen the
stuff that I do.

980
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,240
And I'm not trying to cheat my
own whore here.

981
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,560
I'm just trying to answer the
question.

982
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,120
But the stuff that I do that
comes naturally is stuff that

983
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,400
they teach 22 to four year
degrees on.

984
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,720
And to me, not only is it
natural, but if I'm being blunt

985
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,320
and honest, what writer wouldn't
be able to do this?

986
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,800
Because otherwise they're not a
writer.

987
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,800
Yeah.
They go to like lectures and

988
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,160
classes, and like when I first
heard showing and telling voice,

989
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,960
it makes perfect sense when it's
explained to you, but I've never

990
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,360
heard that term and I had
already written three books.

991
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,520
My editors like you, have such
an amazing way of blending,

992
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,760
showing and telling voice
together, and I'm like, what's

993
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,040
that mean?
What is that for the listeners?

994
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,720
For the listeners who don't know
what is showing a telling voice.

995
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,720
So the easiest explanation is
visual media like movies and TV

996
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,320
shows.
You show information by using

997
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,720
the visuals or character actions
versus having a character look

998
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,440
at the screen and say blah blah
blah and provide you the answer

999
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,560
in like a boring way.
Now, in a book, it's hard

1000
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,920
because you could be literal and
say that a book is all telling

1001
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,520
voice because it's all written,
but you have third party

1002
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,480
narration which covers the
telling.

1003
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,280
Then you have the character's
actions and visual descriptions.

1004
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,720
That's more of like a showing
and it's very, there's a much

1005
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,600
finer line between the two and
blending.

1006
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,320
And a lot of writers do not do
much from the character

1007
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,200
perspective.
The entire book is narration

1008
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,960
with them, with the action and
stuff like that.

1009
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,320
Whereas all of my characters and
their scenes, it's coming from

1010
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,560
their perspective.
Which is why some of the and

1011
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
I've I've been criticized for
this, because the person

1012
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,560
criticized and didn't understand
the difference that if a

1013
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:16,680
character does not know
something, I will not list that

1014
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,280
something if it's from their
perspective because the

1015
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,960
character does not possess the
information I forgot the

1016
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,280
character doesn't know.
Right, right.

1017
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,960
No, that makes sense.
And also, you know, I've heard

1018
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,600
this from, I'm not going to say
who it is, but there was a

1019
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,640
friend of mine who did a lot of
really cool writing and art.

1020
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,680
And I think I had mentioned to
her about, about some site that

1021
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,200
listed books to read, You know,
because it is necessary, I think

1022
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,160
at some point in life to
probably read other people's

1023
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,880
books.
Or some people say the Bible,

1024
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,240
some people say the Bible is
useless.

1025
00:54:49,240 --> 00:54:51,720
Some say they live by it.
You know, I wrote a health guide

1026
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:53,120
book.
But, you know, reading a few

1027
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,920
books has taught me some things
in life.

1028
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:00,160
So I think I suggested and she
said I don't read, I get all of

1029
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,880
my information from God.
And she said she doesn't read,

1030
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,880
but she writes books.
And so, so there are people out

1031
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,680
there that, you know, say
they're getting their

1032
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,040
information from source or from
God or from spirits or aliens

1033
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,000
and they refuse to read and they
even think it's a bad idea to

1034
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,720
read.
What do you think about that?

1035
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,800
I can kind of see what a person
might be saying there.

1036
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,960
They're just saying it in a very
offensive way.

1037
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,520
Like I said, I used to read
books and I would, I would be

1038
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,960
immersed in books and I would
find them phenomenally

1039
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,920
entertaining.
I will read the same book now

1040
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,960
and I'll hate it because all I
do is pick out all the mistakes.

1041
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,080
And I suppose a person could be
afraid that, you know, if you're

1042
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,920
reading a bunch of subpar work,
maybe you're going to be a

1043
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,520
subpar author.
And a lot of the most and a lot

1044
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:53,640
of the most, it's just the way
it is.

1045
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,520
A lot of the most famous writers
out there in our current day

1046
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,880
also hold records for making the
most mistakes.

1047
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,680
Like JJK.
Rowling is probably the single

1048
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,280
most successful actor.
Writer, I meant writer of the

1049
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,520
21st century.
Her books, she needed a better

1050
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,920
editor.
Her books that I loved them.

1051
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,840
The first time I read Harry
Potter I enjoyed it a lot more

1052
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,200
than I was admitting.
Being a grown up and everything,

1053
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,800
I really enjoyed it.
But when you actually stop and

1054
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,960
think and you read those books
critically, the entire things

1055
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,760
are nothing but plot holes that
make no sense.

1056
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,400
She was a very creative
individual that did not have a

1057
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,800
good editor because there are so
many things that should have

1058
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,680
never, that should have been
done in a different way and

1059
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,680
ruined the story in hundreds of
ways.

1060
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,480
But they were geared for kids.
They were very creative, they

1061
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,560
were very enjoyable.
So if you're reading it with the

1062
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,680
right frame of mind, it's
fantastic.

1063
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,840
But if you're going to read it
like it, OK, I'm not sure what I

1064
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,960
can say out loud.
If you're going to read it like,

1065
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:03,040
let's just say a critically mean
person, you're going to see

1066
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,200
nothing.
You're going to see nothing but

1067
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,320
errors.
Interesting.

1068
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Well, maybe she learned from
like porn because I actually

1069
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,120
don't watch porn.
But you know, I'm almost 42.

1070
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,200
I've seen it and there's a lot
of plot holes and the story

1071
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,160
doesn't really matter, but it's
just a bunch of things

1072
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,440
happening.
So maybe that's where she kicked

1073
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,280
her inspiration.
On that ridiculous note, we're

1074
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,520
overtime, so please give our
listeners your final thought and

1075
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,000
where to find you.
Well, my website, the one we've

1076
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,080
been talking about is
richardspiegel.com.

1077
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,320
As we've mentioned, it's a
phenomenal website.

1078
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,840
It's got a lot of content in it
all like the buy links and

1079
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,920
things.
Of course, Amazon, that's pretty

1080
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,280
simple to just search.
I also I'm on Instagram at at

1081
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Richard Spiegel books.
I'm not very good with Instagram

1082
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,560
that gets managed for me, but
there's a bunch of content on

1083
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,960
there too.
Look at me, we're like the

1084
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,040
opposite that way I would I
can't.

1085
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,040
I can't let anyone manage
anything about me.

1086
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,040
I can't even sell.
I I've learned to do grocery

1087
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,160
shopping a little and that's it.
Everything else, even creating

1088
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:05,120
my own house, I can't do it.
But anyway, that that was that

1089
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,960
was useless information.
And that happens a lot of times.

1090
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,640
That's what happens when I don't
work out and wake up and just

1091
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,560
have coffee and go right into
the interview.

1092
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,800
You hear my nonsense ramblings.
So for more nonsense ramblings,

1093
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,800
you can tune back into It Came
from the radio and we're going

1094
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,400
to wrap this up.
So back to the studio with more

1095
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:28,360
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1096
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:32,360
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1097
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:33,480
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1098
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,440
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1099
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